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the hyper anomalous esoteric research

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broadcasting from the bass at lamadre

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Mountain just south of area 51. my name

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is Ryan the anomalous ambassador of the

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airwaves bringing you an unbelievable

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adventurous and exciting episode tonight

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recently back from an absolutely amazing

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anomalous paranormal road trip

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akin to the likes of Fear and Loathing

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we have on today's episode a double dose

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of powerful prophetic professionals

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poised to bring us true and mysterious

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Tales from the recent extensive trip

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into the dimensional humans are known to

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possess epigenetic sequences in our

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bodies within our DNA which can be

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activated through physical environmental

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and psychological situations

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circumstances and or events activation

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is the Catalyst for Rapid physical and

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biological transformation of the

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thalamus cardate putamen and basal

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ganglia basically the brain turns into a

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new type of neural processor and Eric

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Mitchell has been studied because this

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has happened to him he's going to go

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into this and Eric the adventurer is

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going to join in as they explain

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amazing truths realities and experiences

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from their fascinating road trip they

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content okay back to it Eric Mitchell

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has been studied by special projects at

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Harvard University to determine how his

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brains antenna as it is known in focused

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circles

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has been upgraded

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Eric the adventurer is among the most

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active researchers in the field

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two of the most involved researchers on

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the subject matter coming back from a

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fair and Loathing style road trip

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through UFO land this amazing road trip

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included stopping by at the base camp at

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space Wolf research visiting other

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experiencers witnessing strange

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happenings seeing doors in mountains

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unbelievable conversations and bringing

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it all home to us and explaining some of

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the strangest Men In Black situations

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UFO sightings Bigfoot activity and the

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use of Eric Mitchell's antenna and extra

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sensory perception among other gifts to

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help tie it all together cohesively Eric

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Mitchell and Eric the adventurer welcome

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to the hero paranormal podcast hey yeah

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this is this is Eric with the K and we

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got Eric with the c and uh yeah I've

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been hanging out with Eric Mitchell for

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a little over almost four weeks almost a

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month now we went on the road we went to

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uh picked him up in Utah which we could

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talk about our little uh jaunt over to

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the space Wolf Research Center we spent

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the day over there and uh Eric picked up

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on some Vibes I saw some things if you

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want to discuss that at any point and

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then we head over to Arizona for the

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international UFO Congress

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where I've got my I would say the

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highlight of that was meeting Randall

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Nickerson who is the uh the filmmaker

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for the movie uh aerial phenomenon which

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uh I don't know if you've seen that yet

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but it's a phenomenal movie I give it I

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give him four pipes two thumbs up

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um and then from there we went over to

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stories to talk about Albuquerque New

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Mexico and then we went up to uh a

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Bigfoot get together up there in falc

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Arkansas where the bogey creek monster

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geek Crabtree who is who was the actual

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Bigfoot in The Legend of Boggy Creek

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he's 71 now and now we're here in Hot

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Springs Arkansas and uh anyway so that's

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our little intro I'm going to hand it

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over to Eric Mitchell so I'm gonna let

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you guys start it off and then once he's

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kind of told a few of his uh stories and

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whatnot I'll jump in after that how's

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that that sounds good so I I'll I'll

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Eric Mitchell how you doing

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good my friend how are you today good

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and I think I will kick it off um the

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way Eric said and kind of touch on the

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you had some amazing things happen and I

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was blown away when you went to space

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Wolf research primarily because you

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keyed into something and this is not to

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just come back to that antenna uh

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discussion but it really is it just goes

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to show how strong your antenna really

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is you keyed into some things that you

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had no idea of knowing that they were in

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a particular area could we talk about

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past 10 years I've been pretty shy

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about this uh woo-woo stuff that I

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experienced but throughout the 10 years

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you know I've learned that these aren't

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woo-woo things these are actual you know

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neurological processes and uh so you

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know the more even though I sound like

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Alexander Bell with a piece of plastic

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in front of a bunch of shareholders

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saying hey you can you can talk to

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people in China if you just uh you know

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uh he must have looked like a total nut

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case and uh me too but

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you know facts are facts and sometimes

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you gotta stand out there before the uh

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the crowd is ready and and talk about

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these things before science really

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releases these things

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you know it's pretty wild because you

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came forward to me and you said you said

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um I'm sensing that you have something

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in this particular area of the property

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and yeah you know we actually did we

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have uh some very old 4 000 year old

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mysterious and Powerful

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um Peruvian heads that were uh

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place there for various reasons and kind

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of inserted to see how they

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how they respond to the high strangeness

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or what what effects they have and I was

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blown away that you knew exactly not

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only where these heads were they were

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completely hidden and you

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let's get into that how have you dealt

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and also you you you pointed at some

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areas of the property which have

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provided a lot of high strangeness in

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the past and you had no way of knowing

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what allowed you to kind of see things

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that other people usually don't see

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well at first you you've got to battle

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your own you know uh cognitive

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dissidence you know is uh is social

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creatures we tend to uh do our best

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whether we're conscious of it or not to

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absolutely and completely fit in as

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social animals so we kind of deny

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abilities that you know we're so used to

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it it's normal you know and uh but you

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you gotta hide it from most people you

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know a lot of times I'll meet someone

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and want to Rattle off everything you

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know that's going on intuitively but uh

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that you don't make friends that way you

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know people don't uh like that but you

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know when I got to the ranch

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um I was completely compelled to uh you

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know a certain part of the the top of

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the Mesa in in the you know in the sky

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you know I thought wow what is this you

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know it felt

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um intelligent and uh extremely

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intelligent so I was kind of drawn to

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that it was cold that night

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um you know airplane ride uh ears

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popping constantly going up and down the

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mountains and then you got this cold

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breeze blowing past your ear it's like

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um you know I couldn't really focus but

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uh the next day we came back and um it

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was great because I saw this tree

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that I was kind of drawn to and uh so I

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went ahead and meditated there or at

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least tried which was really odd for me

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I was I'm still a little uh

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I guess awestruck confused uh a lot of

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things I've never experienced something

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like this before but you know I meditate

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often and uh sometimes I enjoy uh remote

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viewing and a lot of people would say

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okay that's when you pick a location

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what that's what the military does for

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myself

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um which is a very curious thing uh you

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know I'll go into remote viewing but I

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won't try to pick a location or anything

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like that I'll just allow a flow to

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happen and I'll see a building or maybe

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um a lady's face and you know three days

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later I'll meet a lady that looks just

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like that and she works at this building

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and she wants to write an article so

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it's just kind of neat you know I don't

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really vocalize it too much but it's

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it's a curiosity of mine but when I I

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meditated near that tree it immediately

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went from meditation to something

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completely different remote viewing and

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uh so I was feeling areas and uh

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um those stones were something really

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curious to me because I was confused and

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when I asked you Ryan I was like what's

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in there and you said oh just some

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equipment you know kind of stonewalled

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me a little bit and I was like no Ryan

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this is true you know uh because you

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know I it's really easy not to trust

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those types of instincts and debunk them

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and and all that stuff but when you

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develop a certain sense of confidence

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over time it's like uh you know you can

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say something embarrassing if someone

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wants to hide from you and they'll tell

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you you're wrong and uh you you expect

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yourself to be wrong so yeah it's okay I

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I must have been mistaken but after a

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while you look good and kid in the eyes

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and say come on buddy you know come on

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with it but um and it really is a

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personal personal battle and that's

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exactly what happened and you you did

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kind of peel away a layer of the onion

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because I I did I remember I did say oh

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it's just a bunch of high-tech equipment

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in there and then you said no there's

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there's something a little bit deeper

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and more power powerful in there and

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that's when I was honest with you about

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about it and that kind of broke down my

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reality because I'm like no he knows and

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you don't you don't run into that in

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day-to-day communication as you said

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and I believe the human brain is far

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more powerful and comprehensive than

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people give it credit for yeah from what

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I'm learning it's astonishing I mean

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it's

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oh my God you know um I'll give you an

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example of just recently and and Eric

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can tell you uh sometimes I'll just

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immediately sit up and say I'm I gotta

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go hey you know so

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to to you know explain that to Eric I'll

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say hey look I I've got to go have a

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beer right now I'm going down the street

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but really it's this this

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um emotional uh tug you know that you

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have to be somewhere

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so for example last time

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um I think it was the night before last

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I said Eric I'm gonna run down the

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street and have a beer and he's like

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well I spend extra for a beer down the

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street when you can just get something

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from the gas station save a few bucks

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and instead of trying to explain myself

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all the time like I'll be back but uh I

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walk in bar is completely empty grabbed

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a beer and I'm I'm really curious about

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what's this strong draw you know and

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this woman walks in she's probably 25

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years old young med school a med uh

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student uh very intelligent and highly

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autistic and she comes in she's nervous

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I could tell she feels everything in the

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room and uh It's upsetting her a little

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bit and she's curious and she's looking

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around they didn't have the drink that

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she wanted and uh so I kind of

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approached her I said hey let's go

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outside you know and I started to you

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know read into her life and when you get

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a little bit of pushback you just kind

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of you know recede and just have a

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regular conversation but she was

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extremely receptive and did it right

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back at me and she was like oh my God we

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have to sit down you're like me and uh

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so we sat down and we were just having

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this conversation of um

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it's it's empathy it's an Essence it's a

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knowing and when two people like that

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sit down and they kind of drop the

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curtain it's the bartender's jaw was on

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the floor she was just like I can't even

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listen to this conversation like you

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guys known each other your whole life or

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what you know and she said I have to get

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my boyfriend down here he was also

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autistic

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and uh she calls him up he comes down it

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was great to meet him and not too long

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into that we're talking about how he was

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picked up out of high school for top

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security clearance working for a uh

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um Aerospace company I'll just put it

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that way working on some electrical

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engineering top secret stuff and uh you

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know he did mention several times I just

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really feel like they used me and so

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long story short it's just those things

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are kind of amazing you know you just

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feel that draw and you you follow it no

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matter what it is

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fact is Stranger Than Fiction and it is

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you have it's it's very interesting

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because you have this ability to

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communicate with like a source

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Consciousness and it's similar to like

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the internet but on a multi-dimensional

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scale where you can sort of Open Source

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into that Intel or that energy and uh

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there are others that can do it as well

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and absolutely it's it's fascinating to

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me because this is exactly what science

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is finding out that there is like you

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said there's no Rhyme or Reason to it

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it's There's No Agenda you just when you

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need to go you go you go you feel the

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flow and this energy has always existed

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hasn't it and I think that's why you you

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were able to key in on things that were

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thousands of years old you are able to

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interact with phenomena in ways that

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other people can't you told me an

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interesting story that took place in

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Nevada would it be okay if we jump into

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that

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uh sure sure I'm trying to think of

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which one but yeah

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um this is up in the uh I guess it would

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be in the la Madre Mountain area and

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there are a lot of UFOs in this area

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which is

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alone amazing but it seems like these

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UFOs tend to follow you wherever you are

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Eric and no matter you where you move

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what home you move into what the

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situation is and the location you move

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to these UFOs tend to start showing up

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don't they

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yeah I think I did a little bit of my

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own math uh sometime last year and I can

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I can definitely estimate low

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guesstimate maybe 6.6 million Americans

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that uh are experiencers you know it's

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probably a lot more if if you don't if

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you haven't had a UFO experience I

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guarantee you that you've known somebody

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that has it's that prevalent you know

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and it's we live in a society where it's

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not supposed to exist and I think that's

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daunting almost hilarious but I I hold

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back a laugh

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um but yeah there are um certain cases

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uh there's Chris Bledsoe senior uh

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there's a couple cases here in America

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where these things show up blatantly it

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doesn't matter if there's military

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presence or uh it doesn't matter who's

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looking

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um you know they just show up in front

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of God and everybody

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um unfortunately uh for me that happens

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to to be my case uh so I I have moved in

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the past 10 years I've moved to about

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seven different states several different

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towns in between and uh it you know it

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happens out in the open in Las Vegas

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I was kind of clueless as a matter of

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fact you know I just kind of wanted to

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have my own life you know and and really

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put my roots down and and uh kind of

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forget about the whole UFO thing you

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know and and because you live a duality

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you have this normal life that you have

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to live and then there's the experience

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your life that you have to hide from

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everyone or they just uh they think

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you're nuts so

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um I needed some down time for myself

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and and um here these things are I mean

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they're showing up

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uh unbeknownst to me I I most of the

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time when these things were happening I

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was sleeping but uh there was a

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guy studying to be a field investigator

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for mufon and he noticed these objects

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uh coming down over my home uh and they

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would flash and they would shoot

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straight up you know orange spherical uh

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balls about 40 feet diameter there was

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also a resident across the valley that

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was filming these objects over my home

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as well and over Red Rock right across

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the street

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and so the first person that contacted

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me was a guy that was uh you know

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studying to to be a field investigator

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he knocked on my door and he said I

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don't want to sound crazy but have you

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ever heard of UFOs and I just kind of

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smiled at him and rolled my eyes I was

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like come on inside and uh he he opened

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his laptop and he was showing me the

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footage of this object you know coming

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down over my home usually around three

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o'clock in the morning and then it would

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take off

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so uh the second person I was contacted

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was Steve Barone and uh we just kind of

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had some conversations and it led into

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hey we both live in Vegas

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um and he's filming UFOs right here in

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Vegas where I live and I'm like man I

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gotta you know go down there and see

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what you're filming and it turns out he

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was he was filming over Red Rock in in

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my home uh so these coincidences tend to

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happen and um so I mean yeah I mean

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there wasn't

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really you know contact or or you know

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uh too much insane activity but there

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was definitely a you know a constant

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ongoing presence

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uh going on but eventually a lot of uh

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hippie people and enthusiasts and all

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that were uh talking and they ended up

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climbing the mountain across the street

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from my house and they would be up there

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every night you know uh drinking beer

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and cheering and uh you know looking at

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these objects and stuff super super wild

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and this area is extremely active

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um Steve Barone is one of my neighbors

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actually and this is so weird yeah that

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you you lived in this exact same

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location near Red Rock here at the uh in

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the valley what's odd is this physical

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reality we all have it seems and there

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seems to be a lot of evidence that

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humans are able to be kind of upgraded

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they have abilities unlocked to

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communicate with observe manipulate and

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even manifest aspects of dimensional

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realities into our own do you think

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these things are following you

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interacting with you or both

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uh both both I mean um

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I've heard a lot of perspectives and I

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try to keep mine wide open

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um you know I I don't want to um

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take on a perspective and be wrong it's

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just too important for me so you know

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people ask me you know is this

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palladians or is this that it's like

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look I I don't know I don't know I know

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they're extremely intelligent more than

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I can shake a steak at and uh it's it's

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a it's a really good idea to be hyper

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Vigilant about that type of intelligence

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and uh really don't throw anything out

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no towels no bath water nothing until

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you can responsibly truly understand

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what's going on

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um you know before it was you know the

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Grays and their physical and they could

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probably get out and have a cup of

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coffee you know with you but uh but now

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it's uh the perspective is is slowly

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changing through science to uh to see

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that

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of whatever this intelligence is it's uh

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it's profoundly outside of our our uh

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imagination wow man and going back um

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let me ask the other Eric now you both

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have been on how how long has this

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amazing trip down the rabbit hole been

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the most recent one that you just came

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off of

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yeah I picked up Eric or actually uh

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Erica of Eric you may already know this

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but the listeners may not know he's been

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working with uh experiencers for many

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many years somewhere in the neighborhood

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of around 3 000 Plus

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and one of his clients uh that he does

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all this for free

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helps people which is a beautiful thing

529
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because a lot of people don't really

530
00:22:49,490 --> 00:22:48,179
know what's going on or how to interpret

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what it is they're experiencing and

532
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because of his experience personally and

533
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also his knowledge that he's gained by

534
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working with other people he's able to

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talk to people as like a counselor would

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and anyways there's a lady that lived in

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Utah

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who he hadn't met yet but they've been

539
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communicating and so she picked him up

540
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at the airport and uh

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brought brought Eric over to Draper Utah

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which is where I was staying with Jeff

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Brunell who has that e-talk TV Talk

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Radio podcast and uh ironically prior to

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that I've been to uh Jeff burnell's

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house several times and he's got lights

547
00:23:31,310 --> 00:23:29,280
on the mountain I'm just gonna call him

548
00:23:32,330 --> 00:23:31,320
lights because they're not they're not

549
00:23:34,130 --> 00:23:32,340
uh

550
00:23:36,289 --> 00:23:34,140
they did they don't appear to be solid

551
00:23:37,370 --> 00:23:36,299
objects I mean they maybe saw an objects

552
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:37,380
but we're not talking your typical

553
00:23:43,070 --> 00:23:40,320
flying saucers or UFOs these things are

554
00:23:44,570 --> 00:23:43,080
are right on the mountain not above the

555
00:23:46,610 --> 00:23:44,580
mountain not on the ground but literally

556
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:46,620
on the mountain and they're flickering

557
00:23:51,169 --> 00:23:49,200
and they're moving and uh kind of

558
00:23:54,110 --> 00:23:51,179
changing shape a little bit and changing

559
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:54,120
colors going from from white or to

560
00:24:00,049 --> 00:23:57,120
Yellow to red to orange and I was able

561
00:24:02,690 --> 00:24:00,059
to record all this and so uh so that

562
00:24:04,730 --> 00:24:02,700
night when when Eric was coming over

563
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:04,740
I was just sitting out there on on the

564
00:24:07,549 --> 00:24:06,240
on the patio just kind of looking out

565
00:24:08,510 --> 00:24:07,559
there at the mountain just thinking you

566
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:08,520
know I wonder if they're going to be

567
00:24:12,049 --> 00:24:10,559
coming out tonight and then all of a

568
00:24:14,810 --> 00:24:12,059
sudden uh

569
00:24:16,490 --> 00:24:14,820
I would say no exaggeration 20 times the

570
00:24:18,529 --> 00:24:16,500
amount that I'm used to seeing which

571
00:24:20,510 --> 00:24:18,539
normally I would see maybe two or three

572
00:24:24,169 --> 00:24:20,520
possibly four lights

573
00:24:26,330 --> 00:24:24,179
uh in an evening uh we I saw well over

574
00:24:29,149 --> 00:24:26,340
20 lights that and within about a 30

575
00:24:30,890 --> 00:24:29,159
minute period flickering and moving and

576
00:24:33,409 --> 00:24:30,900
then and I was able to film this and

577
00:24:37,310 --> 00:24:33,419
then this one object I guess it was an

578
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,320
object it was four lights in a row

579
00:24:42,350 --> 00:24:39,600
um just appeared off to the left again

580
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:42,360
right near the mountain and was just

581
00:24:46,430 --> 00:24:43,919
hovering there and that was the first

582
00:24:48,770 --> 00:24:46,440
time me I personally have ever seen

583
00:24:50,330 --> 00:24:48,780
would look like I call that a Mothership

584
00:24:52,730 --> 00:24:50,340
I mean if I was going to guess how big

585
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:52,740
it was I would have to say

586
00:24:56,570 --> 00:24:54,240
it had to be somewhere in the

587
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:56,580
neighborhood of about a hundred yards

588
00:25:00,350 --> 00:24:58,320
because it was there was I mean just the

589
00:25:02,450 --> 00:25:00,360
width of it and uh that was kind of

590
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:02,460
exciting to see and I thought in my mind

591
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:05,039
I'm going is this just a coincidence or

592
00:25:08,570 --> 00:25:06,960
synchronicity that Eric's coming here

593
00:25:10,190 --> 00:25:08,580
right now and then all these lights are

594
00:25:12,529 --> 00:25:10,200
flickering I don't know but it was

595
00:25:14,510 --> 00:25:12,539
interesting

596
00:25:15,950 --> 00:25:14,520
um so anyway so from there and then Eric

597
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:15,960
already mentioned that we went over to

598
00:25:20,750 --> 00:25:18,720
the space Wolf Research Center uh the

599
00:25:23,330 --> 00:25:20,760
next day and did some research up there

600
00:25:25,730 --> 00:25:23,340
and uh with you at your place and and I

601
00:25:27,950 --> 00:25:25,740
did go down there uh you know this but

602
00:25:29,149 --> 00:25:27,960
I'll let your listeners know that uh I

603
00:25:31,730 --> 00:25:29,159
was able to walk down there where the

604
00:25:33,409 --> 00:25:31,740
tree was where Eric had commented

605
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:33,419
earlier in this in your show here that

606
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:35,760
uh and you had told me about some

607
00:25:38,930 --> 00:25:37,200
strange things that happened near that

608
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:38,940
tree so there's this little creek there

609
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:41,520
I call I call it Cryptid Creek and so

610
00:25:45,230 --> 00:25:42,960
I'm kind of walking along the creek bed

611
00:25:47,330 --> 00:25:45,240
there and and then I realized that I was

612
00:25:50,269 --> 00:25:47,340
in an area that wasn't your property and

613
00:25:52,010 --> 00:25:50,279
actually it wasn't any any no white man

614
00:25:53,870 --> 00:25:52,020
on this probably this was actually a

615
00:25:55,370 --> 00:25:53,880
reservation maybe you could tell them

616
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:55,380
fill me in a little bit what is this

617
00:25:58,970 --> 00:25:57,120
little patch of the area that this

618
00:26:01,970 --> 00:25:58,980
little spot there that's kind of nestled

619
00:26:03,649 --> 00:26:01,980
in around the The Walker area in your

620
00:26:06,409 --> 00:26:03,659
area and this this whole little region

621
00:26:09,470 --> 00:26:06,419
uh what is that exactly yeah the entire

622
00:26:12,769 --> 00:26:09,480
area has such an interesting history a

623
00:26:15,169 --> 00:26:12,779
rich history of land transfer and and

624
00:26:18,110 --> 00:26:15,179
the like and it's very checkerboarded

625
00:26:22,430 --> 00:26:18,120
and you'll find for example as you

626
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:22,440
mentioned reservation lands within an

627
00:26:28,669 --> 00:26:25,440
array of privately held lands and at

628
00:26:31,149 --> 00:26:28,679
times you'll find some of these areas so

629
00:26:33,769 --> 00:26:31,159
some are quite large but you will find

630
00:26:35,210 --> 00:26:33,779
particular like a checkerboard of

631
00:26:38,810 --> 00:26:35,220
properties and some of these reservation

632
00:26:42,769 --> 00:26:38,820
lands will actually be within privately

633
00:26:44,810 --> 00:26:42,779
held lands so it makes it super

634
00:26:47,090 --> 00:26:44,820
um interesting from from a land

635
00:26:48,409 --> 00:26:47,100
perspective you know you can have a

636
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:48,419
neighbor that's private you can have

637
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:50,159
another neighbor that's private and you

638
00:26:54,830 --> 00:26:52,080
can have another neighbor that's kind of

639
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:54,840
an absentee landlord because it is

640
00:27:01,130 --> 00:26:58,080
literally a land locked portion of land

641
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:01,140
without insurable access and you know

642
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:03,600
this is interesting uh amid like there's

643
00:27:10,490 --> 00:27:06,000
been a ton of institutional interest in

644
00:27:12,830 --> 00:27:10,500
UFOs obviously in Utah NASA has said it

645
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:12,840
will fund a UFO pile let's study and

646
00:27:17,090 --> 00:27:14,640
this is months after Congress ordered

647
00:27:19,630 --> 00:27:17,100
the Pentagon to stand up and confirm a

648
00:27:23,570 --> 00:27:19,640
UFO office and produce annual reports

649
00:27:26,330 --> 00:27:23,580
this particular area is extremely

650
00:27:29,630 --> 00:27:26,340
studied and interestingly a lot of the

651
00:27:31,549 --> 00:27:29,640
universities some of which have been

652
00:27:34,010 --> 00:27:31,559
studying Eric Mitchell as well are

653
00:27:36,769 --> 00:27:34,020
they've raised millions of dollars for

654
00:27:39,470 --> 00:27:36,779
the Galileo project which will scan the

655
00:27:40,669 --> 00:27:39,480
skies for UFOs there's been a lot of

656
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:40,679
criticism

657
00:27:46,850 --> 00:27:44,240
in you know all of the recent attention

658
00:27:49,130 --> 00:27:46,860
and you can't say oh this is the only

659
00:27:51,649 --> 00:27:49,140
spot because I think the whole area as

660
00:27:54,049 --> 00:27:51,659
you said Eric is amazing and there's

661
00:27:56,570 --> 00:27:54,059
many other areas that are amazing it's

662
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:56,580
it's strange when you cannot throw a

663
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:59,520
blanket over this or a net because a lot

664
00:28:04,250 --> 00:28:01,679
of these property boundary lines Etc

665
00:28:07,010 --> 00:28:04,260
there's literally areas that are no

666
00:28:09,230 --> 00:28:07,020
man's land that you cannot go on because

667
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:09,240
they are for example

668
00:28:14,090 --> 00:28:11,520
um reservation or they're super

669
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:14,100
secretive and privately held or there's

670
00:28:19,370 --> 00:28:16,320
no insurable access to get in or out of

671
00:28:21,289 --> 00:28:19,380
so yeah that this particular area you're

672
00:28:23,390 --> 00:28:21,299
discussing I like to call the haunted

673
00:28:26,269 --> 00:28:23,400
100 or the most haunted hundred because

674
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:26,279
it has no insurable access by its

675
00:28:32,750 --> 00:28:29,039
rightful ownership it is off limits to

676
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:32,760
trespassers so literally there should

677
00:28:39,169 --> 00:28:35,039
never be any human being on this

678
00:28:41,570 --> 00:28:39,179
property and that is just an epic and

679
00:28:43,370 --> 00:28:41,580
ideal situation for what I like to call

680
00:28:45,529 --> 00:28:43,380
the high strangeness or the phenomenon

681
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:45,539
because it's no man's land the only

682
00:28:50,570 --> 00:28:47,279
thing that should technically be there

683
00:28:52,490 --> 00:28:50,580
are these roaming entities it's kind of

684
00:28:54,350 --> 00:28:52,500
anti-scientific but just the truth of

685
00:28:57,470 --> 00:28:54,360
the whole matter

686
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:57,480
yeah and so as I saw and took pictures

687
00:29:02,390 --> 00:29:00,000
of some very strange footprints

688
00:29:04,430 --> 00:29:02,400
that I couldn't figure out what they

689
00:29:05,630 --> 00:29:04,440
were and no Bigfoot Footprints although

690
00:29:08,930 --> 00:29:05,640
that would have been cool because I am

691
00:29:11,570 --> 00:29:08,940
looking for the Bigfoot but yeah so it's

692
00:29:13,490 --> 00:29:11,580
you know uh it's I see why they're

693
00:29:15,289 --> 00:29:13,500
studying this area but it's my opinion

694
00:29:18,289 --> 00:29:15,299
that uh

695
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:18,299
I mean you could somebody could go there

696
00:29:21,409 --> 00:29:19,919
and study this and you can have millions

697
00:29:22,909 --> 00:29:21,419
of dollars and study it and have all

698
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:22,919
this technology and so on and so forth

699
00:29:28,010 --> 00:29:25,919
but I I don't believe that they're ever

700
00:29:28,730 --> 00:29:28,020
going to be able to capture whatever it

701
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:28,740
is

702
00:29:32,450 --> 00:29:30,480
that's going on there and put it in a

703
00:29:34,190 --> 00:29:32,460
bottle and and Market it or sell it or

704
00:29:36,110 --> 00:29:34,200
use it for some sort of Defense program

705
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:36,120
I just don't think that's ever going to

706
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:37,440
happen and that could be part of the

707
00:29:42,049 --> 00:29:39,360
reason why they took the funding away

708
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:42,059
from uh from that whole project from

709
00:29:46,010 --> 00:29:43,919
back in the day when Bigelow had it in

710
00:29:47,810 --> 00:29:46,020
your area and so anyway that's just my

711
00:29:50,029 --> 00:29:47,820
opinion on that but but it's still

712
00:29:51,049 --> 00:29:50,039
interesting it's still fascinating

713
00:29:52,669 --> 00:29:51,059
um but I know they're going to keep

714
00:29:54,350 --> 00:29:52,679
studying it and maybe one day they will

715
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:54,360
figure it out but I don't see it

716
00:29:58,190 --> 00:29:56,399
happening anytime soon I want to also

717
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:58,200
say that whatever these things are

718
00:30:03,049 --> 00:30:01,440
whatever this thing is in the area and

719
00:30:05,090 --> 00:30:03,059
in general I mean it can drain your

720
00:30:07,370 --> 00:30:05,100
phone battery in a matter of moments it

721
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:07,380
get it's giving people radiation Burns

722
00:30:13,850 --> 00:30:10,799
there's insane levels of electromagnetic

723
00:30:17,330 --> 00:30:13,860
frequencies which we're monitoring and

724
00:30:20,510 --> 00:30:17,340
the gear is showing us through testing

725
00:30:24,049 --> 00:30:20,520
that we are dealing with something that

726
00:30:26,690 --> 00:30:24,059
appears to kind of mock the scientific

727
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:26,700
approach so I I sort of agree with you

728
00:30:32,750 --> 00:30:30,240
that this is like this is like trying to

729
00:30:35,389 --> 00:30:32,760
uh you know put a Genie in a Bottle no

730
00:30:38,330 --> 00:30:35,399
pun intended exactly what I was thinking

731
00:30:40,610 --> 00:30:38,340
and you said that is but yeah so uh

732
00:30:42,649 --> 00:30:40,620
it's and here's what was interesting you

733
00:30:45,289 --> 00:30:42,659
see I'm I'm a little more cautious uh

734
00:30:47,210 --> 00:30:45,299
because of the uh The Hitchhiker stories

735
00:30:48,529 --> 00:30:47,220
that I've heard and when I was down in

736
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:48,539
that area

737
00:30:52,610 --> 00:30:50,159
um I didn't get any sense of any

738
00:30:55,789 --> 00:30:52,620
negative feelings or negative energy but

739
00:30:57,470 --> 00:30:55,799
there was a sense of uh in my own

740
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:57,480
conscious mind there's like a sense of

741
00:31:00,830 --> 00:30:59,039
awe that okay this is different

742
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:00,840
something about it felt different to me

743
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:03,600
but not negative but I will report that

744
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:06,000
I've had no no hitchhikers or anything

745
00:31:09,529 --> 00:31:07,919
like that after being there a few times

746
00:31:11,090 --> 00:31:09,539
which I'm grateful for that because I

747
00:31:13,370 --> 00:31:11,100
I've heard that and I don't know that

748
00:31:15,169 --> 00:31:13,380
I'd want to be bringing home any uh any

749
00:31:17,230 --> 00:31:15,179
kind of uh paranormal hitchhikers I'm

750
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:17,240
not just not down with that personally

751
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:21,120
yeah and I kind of not not to

752
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:24,000
lose focus on the high strangeness in

753
00:31:29,149 --> 00:31:26,640
the uuna Basin in Utah but I want to

754
00:31:33,049 --> 00:31:29,159
kind of delve into some of Arkansas

755
00:31:35,690 --> 00:31:33,059
where you're at now this area has a very

756
00:31:39,289 --> 00:31:35,700
long history of unidentified flying

757
00:31:42,889 --> 00:31:39,299
objects I mean in Arkansas between 1896

758
00:31:46,190 --> 00:31:42,899
and 1965 pretty much the whole entire

759
00:31:48,289 --> 00:31:46,200
time was a UFO flap and then of course

760
00:31:54,110 --> 00:31:48,299
we have the UFO sightings in Pine Bluff

761
00:31:57,049 --> 00:31:54,120
during 1913 1947 and 1950 more recently

762
00:31:59,510 --> 00:31:57,059
have you guys come across any odd

763
00:32:01,549 --> 00:31:59,520
looking things or vessels craft in the

764
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,559
sky while you've been there

765
00:32:04,730 --> 00:32:03,600
uh I'm gonna tell a quick story and then

766
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:04,740
I'm going to hand the phone over to Eric

767
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:06,720
because this is his home territory and

768
00:32:11,389 --> 00:32:08,880
he knows a lot more than I do but uh

769
00:32:13,909 --> 00:32:11,399
about a few months ago

770
00:32:16,130 --> 00:32:13,919
um Eric okay so there's an Eric's got a

771
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:16,140
neighbor and I'm gonna try to keep this

772
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:18,960
on the uh as simple as I can because I I

773
00:32:24,049 --> 00:32:21,360
guess uh she's got some issues with some

774
00:32:26,750 --> 00:32:24,059
visitors that are unwelcome human beings

775
00:32:28,370 --> 00:32:26,760
so Eric offered to put a camera a little

776
00:32:30,130 --> 00:32:28,380
camera and I'm looking at it right now

777
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:30,140
as I look out the window in her window

778
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:33,360
and so it's filming outward on the on

779
00:32:37,970 --> 00:32:35,039
the driveway here so that if anybody

780
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:37,980
comes onto the property here that's that

781
00:32:42,049 --> 00:32:40,080
might want to approach her her property

782
00:32:44,330 --> 00:32:42,059
uh he'll be able to record it so it's

783
00:32:45,889 --> 00:32:44,340
kind of a protection thing for her so

784
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:45,899
when you put that there I'm thinking

785
00:32:50,210 --> 00:32:48,000
that he had no idea what he was going to

786
00:32:51,889 --> 00:32:50,220
record but I mean this is pretty cool so

787
00:32:53,149 --> 00:32:51,899
this apparently this this camera that's

788
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:53,159
in the window I'm looking at it right

789
00:32:56,330 --> 00:32:55,200
now across about about 30 yards away

790
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:56,340
from me

791
00:33:02,389 --> 00:32:58,799
um it's it's motion activated and it's

792
00:33:04,730 --> 00:33:02,399
on an app so whenever anything comes in

793
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:04,740
in the uh in the range or the view range

794
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:07,440
of this of this camera it'll send Eric a

795
00:33:11,630 --> 00:33:08,399
notice

796
00:33:13,009 --> 00:33:11,640
and so uh he calls me up and said you

797
00:33:15,049 --> 00:33:13,019
know check this out what do you think

798
00:33:17,149 --> 00:33:15,059
what what the hell's this you know and

799
00:33:21,529 --> 00:33:17,159
and I'm looking at this thing

800
00:33:23,149 --> 00:33:21,539
and uh and it to me it looked like a

801
00:33:26,990 --> 00:33:23,159
Bigfoot that had that was in the middle

802
00:33:29,570 --> 00:33:27,000
of a cloak and it was tall it was big it

803
00:33:32,210 --> 00:33:29,580
had it had the kind of the shape if it

804
00:33:36,169 --> 00:33:32,220
wasn't a Bigfoot it was some sort of uh

805
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:36,179
ghostly Cryptid type creature and and so

806
00:33:39,169 --> 00:33:37,440
I'm looking at this thing and I'm

807
00:33:41,690 --> 00:33:39,179
thinking man I can't figure out what

808
00:33:44,409 --> 00:33:41,700
that is broad daylight broad daylight by

809
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,210
at least eight feet tall yeah

810
00:33:51,769 --> 00:33:49,679
um and so it's right by his car and so

811
00:33:53,149 --> 00:33:51,779
I'm and I thought to myself well when I

812
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:53,159
actually get to his house where I'm at

813
00:33:55,970 --> 00:33:54,720
now I'm going to look at this closer and

814
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:55,980
try to figure out what that could have

815
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:58,320
been facing my bedroom window yeah

816
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:01,440
there's whatever this thing is it it was

817
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,559
there you could clearly see it it's uh

818
00:34:08,450 --> 00:34:06,480
this it's it's no uh I don't know what

819
00:34:10,430 --> 00:34:08,460
to say about it but then there are also

820
00:34:12,589 --> 00:34:10,440
at certain times of the evening

821
00:34:15,409 --> 00:34:12,599
uh there'll be pictures that'll show up

822
00:34:17,690 --> 00:34:15,419
on his phone off this app that show like

823
00:34:20,089 --> 00:34:17,700
some sort of bright light but it's got

824
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:20,099
It's not just a bright light uh it's got

825
00:34:24,649 --> 00:34:23,040
this kind of wavy uh lines through it

826
00:34:26,450 --> 00:34:24,659
and it's really kind of trippy when you

827
00:34:28,609 --> 00:34:26,460
look at it it's nothing I've ever seen

828
00:34:30,770 --> 00:34:28,619
before so I I don't know if this

829
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:30,780
whatever this light is that's coming and

830
00:34:34,369 --> 00:34:33,359
hovering near or above his his house

831
00:34:35,869 --> 00:34:34,379
here

832
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:35,879
um you I can't really I've never seen

833
00:34:40,909 --> 00:34:37,679
anything like it so I haven't really

834
00:34:42,770 --> 00:34:40,919
been able to uh to figure out yet we've

835
00:34:44,329 --> 00:34:42,780
only been here a few days we were kind

836
00:34:46,430 --> 00:34:44,339
of just going to bed early just trying

837
00:34:47,810 --> 00:34:46,440
to catch up on sleep but uh but I'm

838
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:47,820
gonna hand the phone over to Eric and

839
00:34:57,770 --> 00:34:55,669
yeah we uh I I don't I don't know what

840
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:57,780
that that light is that kind of shows up

841
00:35:03,290 --> 00:35:00,000
while I'm sleeping but it's it's uh it's

842
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:03,300
tripping the camera and uh the camera's

843
00:35:06,890 --> 00:35:05,040
taking a picture of it but like Eric

844
00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:06,900
said you can't really make out what in

845
00:35:10,609 --> 00:35:08,520
the world it is

846
00:35:12,770 --> 00:35:10,619
it looks like you're getting a glimpse

847
00:35:15,650 --> 00:35:12,780
into like some other reality it sounds

848
00:35:19,210 --> 00:35:15,660
like it was from the description this is

849
00:35:22,490 --> 00:35:19,220
a very real entity that's visiting

850
00:35:24,050 --> 00:35:22,500
well yeah I mean it is an intelligent uh

851
00:35:25,790 --> 00:35:24,060
can I tell you an embarrassing story

852
00:35:28,910 --> 00:35:25,800
that I probably would never do but since

853
00:35:31,790 --> 00:35:28,920
I'm on your show I'm gonna do it yeah

854
00:35:34,490 --> 00:35:31,800
uh my buddy Morgan she's a best

855
00:35:36,050 --> 00:35:34,500
bartender ever and uh once a month I'll

856
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:36,060
go out and have a few drinks and and

857
00:35:40,970 --> 00:35:38,400
just kind of you know relax myself and

858
00:35:43,250 --> 00:35:40,980
she she's well aware because I'll I'll

859
00:35:44,990 --> 00:35:43,260
she'll pour extra heavy drinks and

860
00:35:47,569 --> 00:35:45,000
charge me half price I'll put it that

861
00:35:49,790 --> 00:35:47,579
way but uh and uh of course you know I

862
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:49,800
get a little loose in the tongue you

863
00:35:52,970 --> 00:35:51,359
know having that many drinks and as

864
00:35:54,829 --> 00:35:52,980
strong as she pours them

865
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:54,839
uh so she likes to hear about you know

866
00:35:59,390 --> 00:35:57,359
all these things and travels and

867
00:36:01,370 --> 00:35:59,400
um I brought my buddy and and we ended

868
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:01,380
up having way too much I mean she was a

869
00:36:06,109 --> 00:36:03,839
heavy-handerer that night and uh we get

870
00:36:07,849 --> 00:36:06,119
in the car and uh two blocks from my

871
00:36:10,609 --> 00:36:07,859
home he pulls into his driveway he says

872
00:36:12,829 --> 00:36:10,619
Eric I I shouldn't even been driving you

873
00:36:15,410 --> 00:36:12,839
know I you can sleep on my couch it's

874
00:36:18,650 --> 00:36:15,420
fine and I said no I better go home you

875
00:36:20,089 --> 00:36:18,660
know so here I am just realizing I'm

876
00:36:22,609 --> 00:36:20,099
stumbling home

877
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:22,619
and I'm just realizing oh my God it's

878
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,480
the middle of the night and I'm outside

879
00:36:28,609 --> 00:36:26,400
in the dark you know I don't do this

880
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:28,619
there's personal issues I have because

881
00:36:32,810 --> 00:36:30,000
of this stuff

882
00:36:34,910 --> 00:36:32,820
and I get this this feeling you know

883
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:34,920
this strong feeling and I'm thinking oh

884
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:38,480
my God you know and uh so I just

885
00:36:43,849 --> 00:36:41,520
many listeners will you know contest to

886
00:36:45,710 --> 00:36:43,859
this if you've ever been that drunk off

887
00:36:47,690 --> 00:36:45,720
a bourbon before you you could fight a

888
00:36:50,270 --> 00:36:47,700
bear there's you know you've got balls

889
00:36:52,430 --> 00:36:50,280
of steel so I turned around

890
00:36:53,810 --> 00:36:52,440
and here's a triangular object it's

891
00:36:56,089 --> 00:36:53,820
probably you know a little bit bigger

892
00:36:58,370 --> 00:36:56,099
than a van and it's hovering over the

893
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:58,380
tree behind me and I pull out my dad

894
00:37:02,690 --> 00:37:00,240
finger you know that you know you shake

895
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:02,700
your dad's finger when you're mad and uh

896
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:06,240
I I cussed this thing out Ryan I I let

897
00:37:09,650 --> 00:37:08,160
him have it you know I was like you you

898
00:37:11,630 --> 00:37:09,660
ruined my life you turned everything

899
00:37:14,270 --> 00:37:11,640
upside down I don't even know what you

900
00:37:16,010 --> 00:37:14,280
are just I just went off like just

901
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:16,020
standing there yelling at this object

902
00:37:21,890 --> 00:37:19,200
and it stopped like it was listening and

903
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:21,900
uh you know I turn around and I take two

904
00:37:25,970 --> 00:37:23,520
walking steps to get away from this

905
00:37:28,130 --> 00:37:25,980
thing and I hear a lady across the

906
00:37:30,589 --> 00:37:28,140
street she goes I'm trying to think of

907
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:30,599
her exact words oh she said you've got

908
00:37:33,890 --> 00:37:32,160
to be kidding me and I looked over

909
00:37:35,450 --> 00:37:33,900
across the street and here's a husband

910
00:37:38,569 --> 00:37:35,460
and a wife and they're sitting on the

911
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:38,579
front porch drinking Bud Light so I just

912
00:37:42,770 --> 00:37:40,800
think it's hilarious uh you know from

913
00:37:45,050 --> 00:37:42,780
their perspective that here's this drunk

914
00:37:46,609 --> 00:37:45,060
guy walking down the road with an object

915
00:37:48,410 --> 00:37:46,619
just above his head and he turns around

916
00:37:50,329 --> 00:37:48,420
and cusses it out I mean can you imagine

917
00:37:53,630 --> 00:37:50,339
from their perspective

918
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,640
uh you know I guess they felt like they

919
00:37:56,750 --> 00:37:55,440
were in the middle of a a Men In Black

920
00:37:59,870 --> 00:37:56,760
movie

921
00:38:02,390 --> 00:37:59,880
it sounds like it and now this

922
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:02,400
particular area I have to ask are you

923
00:38:08,990 --> 00:38:06,240
near Carpenter Dam Road by any chance

924
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:09,000
uh I'd go out there a lot

925
00:38:13,790 --> 00:38:12,480
um but not not very far okay I go out

926
00:38:16,430 --> 00:38:13,800
there I like to go out there and

927
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:16,440
meditate or used to at night time but uh

928
00:38:21,650 --> 00:38:18,480
I don't not anymore

929
00:38:25,310 --> 00:38:21,660
there are a ton of areas out there in

930
00:38:29,089 --> 00:38:25,320
that Hot Springs area that seem to be

931
00:38:32,329 --> 00:38:29,099
well UFO hot spots for lack of a better

932
00:38:34,250 --> 00:38:32,339
word and I was kind of asking Eric

933
00:38:35,569 --> 00:38:34,260
um if he's seen anything out there I

934
00:38:39,290 --> 00:38:35,579
wanted to get into some of your

935
00:38:44,329 --> 00:38:41,690
um yeah yeah I mean

936
00:38:47,089 --> 00:38:44,339
I I've been home for a year now

937
00:38:49,250 --> 00:38:47,099
and this is one of those times where you

938
00:38:51,050 --> 00:38:49,260
know I just want to you know fold up the

939
00:38:53,089 --> 00:38:51,060
doors get away from the world and and

940
00:38:56,450 --> 00:38:53,099
recoup you know you can't just keep

941
00:38:58,730 --> 00:38:56,460
going and expect not to fall apart so I

942
00:38:59,690 --> 00:38:58,740
take my recruit you know recuperation

943
00:39:03,770 --> 00:38:59,700
time

944
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:03,780
uh but backstory back in 2013 I was at a

945
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,760
place called milk Lane and that's where

946
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:07,680
this object started showing up you know

947
00:39:12,130 --> 00:39:09,599
not in the sky but literally in the yard

948
00:39:14,450 --> 00:39:12,140
you know it scared people

949
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:14,460
everybody in the neighborhood was moving

950
00:39:20,270 --> 00:39:18,240
out uh helicopters were showing up s-18s

951
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:20,280
would you know fly over and taste these

952
00:39:25,730 --> 00:39:23,359
things so it was a big Fiasco

953
00:39:28,670 --> 00:39:25,740
unbeknownst to me I had no idea there

954
00:39:30,829 --> 00:39:28,680
was this guy on the uh sixth floor of a

955
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:30,839
resort overlooking the lake and him and

956
00:39:34,010 --> 00:39:32,880
his mom were filming this activity from

957
00:39:38,210 --> 00:39:34,020
a distance

958
00:39:40,490 --> 00:39:38,220
and um 2014 when I moved to Maine and

959
00:39:42,589 --> 00:39:40,500
got my kid into college

960
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:42,599
um the activity stopped for them so they

961
00:39:45,410 --> 00:39:43,920
stopped filming because there was

962
00:39:49,550 --> 00:39:45,420
nothing there anymore

963
00:39:51,530 --> 00:39:49,560
well his mom died uh 2017 and I moved

964
00:39:53,210 --> 00:39:51,540
back here on the other side of the

965
00:39:56,030 --> 00:39:53,220
resort last year

966
00:39:57,890 --> 00:39:56,040
so now he's filming out the right hand

967
00:39:59,810 --> 00:39:57,900
side instead of the left hand side of

968
00:40:02,210 --> 00:39:59,820
the balcony and he's watching these

969
00:40:06,109 --> 00:40:02,220
objects again up to seven at a time

970
00:40:08,329 --> 00:40:06,119
and uh he calls mufon and uh mufon calls

971
00:40:09,950 --> 00:40:08,339
me and they said Eric are you home and I

972
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:09,960
said yeah I'm home you know and they

973
00:40:13,849 --> 00:40:11,520
said what's your coordinates so I gave

974
00:40:15,650 --> 00:40:13,859
him the coordinates and um you know she

975
00:40:18,290 --> 00:40:15,660
calls me back and she says Eric there's

976
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:18,300
a guy across the street at the resort

977
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:20,400
there's filming objects

978
00:40:23,630 --> 00:40:22,560
coming out of the sky and going directly

979
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:23,640
toward you

980
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:25,680
and uh so I ended up meeting this guy

981
00:40:31,250 --> 00:40:28,560
his name is Jeremy McKim we had coffee

982
00:40:34,490 --> 00:40:31,260
and uh his jaw hit the floor when I told

983
00:40:36,349 --> 00:40:34,500
him I lived on milk Lane uh and he was

984
00:40:39,530 --> 00:40:36,359
filming the activity that was happening

985
00:40:41,450 --> 00:40:39,540
over you know over my home then and uh

986
00:40:45,470 --> 00:40:41,460
so we got to be friends he's 35 years

987
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:45,480
old you know he's younger than me and I

988
00:40:49,790 --> 00:40:47,040
spent a lot of time hanging out talking

989
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:49,800
about these things and when I would

990
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:51,599
sleep at night he would literally go out

991
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:53,760
onto the balcony and and film these

992
00:40:58,910 --> 00:40:55,440
things and you know he'd send me you

993
00:41:02,569 --> 00:40:58,920
know photos and film and stuff like that

994
00:41:04,490 --> 00:41:02,579
and uh so I didn't know this activity

995
00:41:06,829 --> 00:41:04,500
was going on you know while I was

996
00:41:09,890 --> 00:41:06,839
sleeping of course but uh but he was

997
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:09,900
picking it up but uh one day he was on

998
00:41:13,790 --> 00:41:11,760
the uh the balcony and I'm sorry about

999
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:13,800
being out of breath but I'm still a

1000
00:41:18,770 --> 00:41:15,359
little upset about you know this whole

1001
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:18,780
part but uh him and his dad were filming

1002
00:41:24,829 --> 00:41:19,920
these things

1003
00:41:26,810 --> 00:41:24,839
his dad runs the resort and um he

1004
00:41:30,050 --> 00:41:26,820
sent me a text saying there's

1005
00:41:32,089 --> 00:41:30,060
helicopters out here and they look like

1006
00:41:34,490 --> 00:41:32,099
Blackhawks and there's objects out here

1007
00:41:37,609 --> 00:41:34,500
too and my head's starting to vibrate

1008
00:41:40,010 --> 00:41:37,619
and I think you know they're doing

1009
00:41:41,870 --> 00:41:40,020
something to me and I texted him I said

1010
00:41:43,069 --> 00:41:41,880
Jeremy get off the balcony if there's

1011
00:41:45,410 --> 00:41:43,079
helicopters and you're feeling

1012
00:41:47,870 --> 00:41:45,420
vibrations in your head get the hell out

1013
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:47,880
of there uh and he texted me back a

1014
00:41:52,250 --> 00:41:49,920
little while later saying that I think

1015
00:41:55,730 --> 00:41:52,260
these aliens made me sick

1016
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:55,740
and uh he was scared and um

1017
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:57,839
he went into the bathroom he threw up

1018
00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:00,240
twice and then went into his bedroom and

1019
00:42:04,670 --> 00:42:02,160
laid down his father got a cold

1020
00:42:07,370 --> 00:42:04,680
washcloth and stabbed him down and

1021
00:42:09,710 --> 00:42:07,380
Jeremy's arms went straight out his eyes

1022
00:42:11,290 --> 00:42:09,720
rolled back into his head and he passed

1023
00:42:14,569 --> 00:42:11,300
away he died

1024
00:42:17,450 --> 00:42:14,579
the coroner's office said that his blood

1025
00:42:20,329 --> 00:42:17,460
pressure spiked so high that it choked

1026
00:42:21,170 --> 00:42:20,339
off oxygen to his brain and uh he passed

1027
00:42:23,210 --> 00:42:21,180
away

1028
00:42:26,810 --> 00:42:23,220
I never had any health problems or

1029
00:42:28,849 --> 00:42:26,820
anything like that so it was a big shock

1030
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:28,859
um but um that's you know one of the

1031
00:42:33,650 --> 00:42:30,960
many chapters that you know you go

1032
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:33,660
through where you look around and

1033
00:42:37,849 --> 00:42:35,280
everybody's running around a mall with a

1034
00:42:39,170 --> 00:42:37,859
fanny pack and a credit card and they

1035
00:42:42,650 --> 00:42:39,180
just can't wait to watch the game

1036
00:42:44,569 --> 00:42:42,660
tonight or whatever's on TV and they

1037
00:42:47,150 --> 00:42:44,579
completely missed that this reality is

1038
00:42:51,470 --> 00:42:47,160
is everywhere you know

1039
00:42:53,089 --> 00:42:51,480
it it really is and you know this this

1040
00:42:57,650 --> 00:42:53,099
Men in Black

1041
00:43:00,770 --> 00:42:57,660
feature or this strange genre it seems

1042
00:43:02,089 --> 00:43:00,780
to feature very prominently in UFO

1043
00:43:06,589 --> 00:43:02,099
circles

1044
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:06,599
um it seems more fact Than Fiction and

1045
00:43:11,390 --> 00:43:08,880
you never really know quite what they're

1046
00:43:12,829 --> 00:43:11,400
up to I recall a I had a similar

1047
00:43:15,410 --> 00:43:12,839
experience

1048
00:43:17,210 --> 00:43:15,420
with a friend of ours I was with a

1049
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:17,220
gentleman whose feet his name is Ron

1050
00:43:21,890 --> 00:43:19,680
Johnson he's featured in Grant Cameron's

1051
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:21,900
new book the UFO Pilots

1052
00:43:27,950 --> 00:43:24,000
and we had a mutual friend

1053
00:43:31,250 --> 00:43:27,960
named Daryl Smith and we had a similar

1054
00:43:33,410 --> 00:43:31,260
situation where this strange individual

1055
00:43:36,109 --> 00:43:33,420
parked next to the house we were on the

1056
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:36,119
back porch looking up over a ridge in

1057
00:43:40,490 --> 00:43:38,400
the ewana Basin and this guy pulled out

1058
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:40,500
what looked like a super soaker I mean

1059
00:43:44,990 --> 00:43:43,200
something ridiculous looking uh some

1060
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:45,000
kind of weapon probably some kind of

1061
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:48,000
non-lethal weapon or well as it turns

1062
00:43:55,250 --> 00:43:52,079
out fairly non-lethal but um Ron Johnson

1063
00:43:58,250 --> 00:43:55,260
and myself both ducked behind a a brick

1064
00:43:59,809 --> 00:43:58,260
embankment and Daryl I remember stood

1065
00:44:01,849 --> 00:43:59,819
there looking at this guy with through

1066
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:01,859
his night vision and you could see well

1067
00:44:05,870 --> 00:44:04,319
the only thing I can explain it as is

1068
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:05,880
through the night vision you could see

1069
00:44:10,849 --> 00:44:08,160
waves coming out of this Super Soaker

1070
00:44:12,829 --> 00:44:10,859
looking like gun and Daryl just stood

1071
00:44:14,450 --> 00:44:12,839
there and we kept telling him hey man

1072
00:44:17,690 --> 00:44:14,460
you should get down we don't know what

1073
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:17,700
this thing is and uh shortly thereafter

1074
00:44:22,670 --> 00:44:20,880
he uh contracted with within two weeks

1075
00:44:25,130 --> 00:44:22,680
actually contracted Lou Gehrig's Disease

1076
00:44:28,849 --> 00:44:25,140
and passed away from it but what's

1077
00:44:31,849 --> 00:44:28,859
interesting is this this Men In Black

1078
00:44:34,730 --> 00:44:31,859
feature which is so prominent in UFO

1079
00:44:37,010 --> 00:44:34,740
circles and folklore it seems like

1080
00:44:39,410 --> 00:44:37,020
there's a lot of intimidation or

1081
00:44:42,290 --> 00:44:39,420
retaliation for discovering the truth

1082
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:42,300
about UFOs have you encountered this Men

1083
00:44:52,010 --> 00:44:49,309
uh well I've encountered

1084
00:44:55,490 --> 00:44:52,020
um yeah some pushback I mean uh in the

1085
00:44:57,410 --> 00:44:55,500
very beginning uh there was a man uh by

1086
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:57,420
the name of uh Lieutenant Colonel Dallas

1087
00:45:02,270 --> 00:45:01,200
C wood and uh from his record it looked

1088
00:45:04,430 --> 00:45:02,280
like he worked for the United States

1089
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:04,440
Pentagon Foreign Relations foreign

1090
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:07,680
Technologies uh he was involved in some

1091
00:45:13,130 --> 00:45:11,040
of the UFO projects at the Pentagon and

1092
00:45:15,530 --> 00:45:13,140
uh he pulled the domestic intelligence

1093
00:45:19,370 --> 00:45:15,540
report and started following me and my

1094
00:45:21,710 --> 00:45:19,380
kids around in 2013 uh when all this

1095
00:45:23,530 --> 00:45:21,720
really started out in the open you know

1096
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:23,540
and started scaring everybody

1097
00:45:28,190 --> 00:45:25,920
my neighbor Debbie

1098
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:28,200
she actually worked at the Lakeshore

1099
00:45:32,690 --> 00:45:30,000
condos where he was staying at the time

1100
00:45:35,690 --> 00:45:32,700
and she went in to clean his room and

1101
00:45:37,849 --> 00:45:35,700
change the Soaps and here's a bunch of

1102
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:37,859
pictures of me and the kids all over his

1103
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:39,599
bed you know shopping at the grocery

1104
00:45:44,329 --> 00:45:42,720
store playing at the swimming pool you

1105
00:45:46,609 --> 00:45:44,339
know walking in the park everything that

1106
00:45:49,010 --> 00:45:46,619
we did and there was a ledger

1107
00:45:51,770 --> 00:45:49,020
on the nightstand of what time I went to

1108
00:45:54,050 --> 00:45:51,780
work what time I went home like

1109
00:45:56,569 --> 00:45:54,060
everything I did I mean this guy was uh

1110
00:45:58,490 --> 00:45:56,579
really looking into us and you know he

1111
00:46:01,309 --> 00:45:58,500
wasn't doing it like knocking on my door

1112
00:46:03,230 --> 00:46:01,319
you know he was doing it covertly so I

1113
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:03,240
think that's the first time you know I

1114
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:04,400
ran into

1115
00:46:09,050 --> 00:46:07,200
something like that but there's been you

1116
00:46:12,050 --> 00:46:09,060
know many occasions in in different

1117
00:46:15,890 --> 00:46:12,060
states and areas there was a

1118
00:46:18,290 --> 00:46:15,900
a couple of black SUVs in Maine I was uh

1119
00:46:21,230 --> 00:46:18,300
on my way to work and this is when

1120
00:46:24,890 --> 00:46:21,240
Audrey humans and I were really looking

1121
00:46:27,230 --> 00:46:24,900
at these uh you know projects in in the

1122
00:46:29,690 --> 00:46:27,240
Pentagon you know we got us a we have us

1123
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:29,700
a name we have uh all kinds of things to

1124
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:33,599
look at uh this was 2014 and uh we were

1125
00:46:37,970 --> 00:46:36,000
stirring up a pretty big nest I mean we

1126
00:46:40,430 --> 00:46:37,980
we figured out the names of uh the

1127
00:46:42,290 --> 00:46:40,440
people in the Aviary group you know blue

1128
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:42,300
jay owl

1129
00:46:47,089 --> 00:46:45,599
um owl was a general John B Alexander

1130
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,099
so we were

1131
00:46:51,050 --> 00:46:49,440
really uncovering some things that

1132
00:46:54,650 --> 00:46:51,060
really hadn't been out there yet you

1133
00:46:56,569 --> 00:46:54,660
know atip all sap all this stuff and I

1134
00:46:58,730 --> 00:46:56,579
was driving to work and there's two

1135
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:58,740
black SUVs on the side of the road and I

1136
00:47:02,690 --> 00:47:00,480
I thought nothing of it you know it's a

1137
00:47:04,970 --> 00:47:02,700
beautiful place you know and uh you can

1138
00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:04,980
pull over and look off the mountain and

1139
00:47:08,930 --> 00:47:07,260
take pictures so

1140
00:47:10,490 --> 00:47:08,940
um one of them just kind of zipped out

1141
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:10,500
in front of me and I had to slam on my

1142
00:47:15,410 --> 00:47:12,960
brakes I'm like oh my God you jerk you

1143
00:47:17,870 --> 00:47:15,420
know and here I was doing 55 now I'm

1144
00:47:20,030 --> 00:47:17,880
doing 35 and the other SUV pulled out

1145
00:47:21,890 --> 00:47:20,040
behind me and they boxed me in within

1146
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:21,900
inches and I'm like are you kidding me

1147
00:47:26,750 --> 00:47:24,000
like is this really happening right now

1148
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:26,760
so I remember my investigator telling me

1149
00:47:31,010 --> 00:47:29,040
if you ever end up in a situation like

1150
00:47:33,290 --> 00:47:31,020
that take a picture of the plates and

1151
00:47:36,109 --> 00:47:33,300
throw your phone under the seat that way

1152
00:47:38,690 --> 00:47:36,119
if you end up missing evidentiary

1153
00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:38,700
support is right there to show you can

1154
00:47:41,569 --> 00:47:40,200
track down the car using the plate

1155
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:41,579
number and find out you know what's

1156
00:47:46,609 --> 00:47:43,200
involved here which I thought was pretty

1157
00:47:48,890 --> 00:47:46,619
smart so I reached my phone up I take a

1158
00:47:49,870 --> 00:47:48,900
picture of the plates and I'm shocked it

1159
00:47:53,210 --> 00:47:49,880
was

1160
00:47:56,030 --> 00:47:53,220
m-i-l-a-b-s on the back plates what this

1161
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:56,040
guy's in front of me so I I'm I am not

1162
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:57,599
kidding you Ryan you know I took this

1163
00:48:02,589 --> 00:47:59,760
picture and then I look in my rear view

1164
00:48:06,829 --> 00:48:02,599
mirror and his front plates are

1165
00:48:08,329 --> 00:48:06,839
m-i-l-a-b-z my labs so

1166
00:48:11,390 --> 00:48:08,339
um these guys were running me off the

1167
00:48:13,130 --> 00:48:11,400
road uh it was a wild drive for a while

1168
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:13,140
I thought my heart was gonna pop out of

1169
00:48:15,890 --> 00:48:14,880
my chest you know because it got pretty

1170
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:15,900
violent

1171
00:48:20,690 --> 00:48:18,720
and once we got to the main road I

1172
00:48:22,849 --> 00:48:20,700
zipped off going towards work and and

1173
00:48:25,490 --> 00:48:22,859
they zipped off going the other way

1174
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:25,500
so I ended up 10 minutes late for work

1175
00:48:29,450 --> 00:48:27,119
because here I am in the driveway with

1176
00:48:31,309 --> 00:48:29,460
my heart pounding out of my chest you

1177
00:48:32,990 --> 00:48:31,319
know I'm trying to catch my breasts and

1178
00:48:34,609 --> 00:48:33,000
uh you know it's just free you know we

1179
00:48:36,890 --> 00:48:34,619
can watch stuff like this in an action

1180
00:48:38,930 --> 00:48:36,900
film but when it happens in real life

1181
00:48:41,210 --> 00:48:38,940
it's like no I couldn't handle that as

1182
00:48:43,370 --> 00:48:41,220
well as I thought I could you know but

1183
00:48:45,230 --> 00:48:43,380
uh but yeah there's been pretty scary

1184
00:48:46,849 --> 00:48:45,240
situations like that

1185
00:48:49,970 --> 00:48:46,859
um Audrey ended up

1186
00:48:52,010 --> 00:48:49,980
uh with a black SUV behind her and she

1187
00:48:54,589 --> 00:48:52,020
called her sister and said there's a SUV

1188
00:48:57,230 --> 00:48:54,599
behind me we're on black ice in the

1189
00:49:00,530 --> 00:48:57,240
middle of Maine uh this is dangerous you

1190
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:00,540
know and so Audrey's sister drove out to

1191
00:49:05,630 --> 00:49:03,119
find her sitting on the street outside

1192
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:05,640
of her crushed car completely catatonic

1193
00:49:11,390 --> 00:49:08,400
and she hasn't been the same since

1194
00:49:12,349 --> 00:49:11,400
but there's a a lot to uh what happened

1195
00:49:15,650 --> 00:49:12,359
there

1196
00:49:18,290 --> 00:49:15,660
man it's a very real

1197
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:18,300
um thing that takes place when it comes

1198
00:49:23,089 --> 00:49:19,680
to

1199
00:49:27,170 --> 00:49:23,099
these groups and you know I'm glad that

1200
00:49:30,170 --> 00:49:27,180
you mentioned the um Aviary because you

1201
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:30,180
know since it for quite some time since

1202
00:49:35,210 --> 00:49:32,400
at least the 70s a number of individuals

1203
00:49:37,790 --> 00:49:35,220
with extremely high security clearances

1204
00:49:39,890 --> 00:49:37,800
have been working with various aspects

1205
00:49:42,109 --> 00:49:39,900
of the UFO phenomenon and seem to have

1206
00:49:44,030 --> 00:49:42,119
been interacting with each other and

1207
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:44,040
when this information came out a lot of

1208
00:49:51,230 --> 00:49:47,040
people claimed it wasn't true we see the

1209
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:51,240
same thing happening with mj-12 and I

1210
00:49:55,370 --> 00:49:52,800
have my beliefs and I think they

1211
00:49:58,970 --> 00:49:55,380
probably are the same as yours I wanted

1212
00:50:02,690 --> 00:49:58,980
to ask you lately something that's been

1213
00:50:04,609 --> 00:50:02,700
Gathering a lot of uh debunkers and a

1214
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:04,619
lot of these debunkers oftentimes come

1215
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:05,599
from

1216
00:50:09,890 --> 00:50:07,680
disinformation campaigns in the

1217
00:50:12,890 --> 00:50:09,900
government itself which is strange but

1218
00:50:15,470 --> 00:50:12,900
lately the Admiral Wilson leak where

1219
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:15,480
Eric Davis met with Admiral Wilson in

1220
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:18,000
supposedly a parking lot this has been

1221
00:50:23,870 --> 00:50:19,680
coming under attack what are your

1222
00:50:27,290 --> 00:50:23,880
thoughts where there's these splits and

1223
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:27,300
divisions within the UFO Community where

1224
00:50:31,370 --> 00:50:29,760
something will get leaked and then

1225
00:50:34,010 --> 00:50:31,380
almost immediately it seems like half

1226
00:50:36,410 --> 00:50:34,020
the UFO community community goes with

1227
00:50:38,210 --> 00:50:36,420
information claiming it's been debunked

1228
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:38,220
and the other half says no this is the

1229
00:50:43,490 --> 00:50:40,800
real deal how much of this collectively

1230
00:50:46,250 --> 00:50:43,500
do you think is just disinformation that

1231
00:50:49,490 --> 00:50:46,260
the government itself is putting out

1232
00:50:51,770 --> 00:50:49,500
that's a this is the Eric uh point two

1233
00:50:52,970 --> 00:50:51,780
uh I wanted to I'm going to hand the

1234
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:52,980
phone back to Eric and let him answer

1235
00:50:56,690 --> 00:50:54,720
that excellent question but I wanted to

1236
00:50:58,670 --> 00:50:56,700
also interject uh going back to the

1237
00:51:00,589 --> 00:50:58,680
black SUV I don't think I told you this

1238
00:51:01,849 --> 00:51:00,599
yeah yeah and you can answer that

1239
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:01,859
question too because you're very

1240
00:51:05,150 --> 00:51:03,359
knowledgeable when it comes to this as

1241
00:51:09,770 --> 00:51:05,160
well

1242
00:51:13,010 --> 00:51:09,780
did because I am on friendly terms with

1243
00:51:15,170 --> 00:51:13,020
Richard Doty I did mention the the uh

1244
00:51:18,650 --> 00:51:15,180
the uh what was the gentleman of Dallas

1245
00:51:22,370 --> 00:51:18,660
Dallas C Wood I mentioned uh Dallas C

1246
00:51:24,170 --> 00:51:22,380
Wood to Mr Doty and uh he he didn't

1247
00:51:26,569 --> 00:51:24,180
confirm

1248
00:51:28,670 --> 00:51:26,579
uh all the details that Eric just shared

1249
00:51:32,210 --> 00:51:28,680
with you but he confirmed that that this

1250
00:51:34,730 --> 00:51:32,220
is a real person and that he was without

1251
00:51:37,010 --> 00:51:34,740
using exact words I mean in other words

1252
00:51:38,930 --> 00:51:37,020
I I've been able to confirm a lot of

1253
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:38,940
those information that Eric has been

1254
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:41,280
sharing uh sometimes if you can't get it

1255
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:43,680
firsthand you can get a second hand and

1256
00:51:47,210 --> 00:51:45,359
um so anyway but what I wanted to tell

1257
00:51:49,250 --> 00:51:47,220
you is that when we left your property

1258
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:49,260
in the afternoon after we'd been kind of

1259
00:51:53,930 --> 00:51:51,359
checking out your property we got on the

1260
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:53,940
road and started heading to Arizona and

1261
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:55,680
uh we're just driving along you know

1262
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:58,079
just chatting and listening to music and

1263
00:52:01,130 --> 00:51:59,760
then we we wanted to pull off in this

1264
00:52:03,470 --> 00:52:01,140
one area to go look at these Rock

1265
00:52:06,609 --> 00:52:03,480
structures we found these uh

1266
00:52:09,650 --> 00:52:06,619
these man-made

1267
00:52:11,569 --> 00:52:09,660
concrete doors that were in the side of

1268
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:11,579
this mountain I mean you I'm shocked

1269
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:13,200
that Eric was able to see it from the

1270
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:16,800
road but so we pulled over

1271
00:52:21,470 --> 00:52:19,440
and uh we didn't realize that there was

1272
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:21,480
a black SUV and I've got pictures of

1273
00:52:26,510 --> 00:52:24,000
this that I guess had been following us

1274
00:52:29,210 --> 00:52:26,520
because when we pulled over and we kind

1275
00:52:32,030 --> 00:52:29,220
of drove into this little area this

1276
00:52:34,849 --> 00:52:32,040
black SUV pulled over on right off the

1277
00:52:37,069 --> 00:52:34,859
freeway and it just waited it and it

1278
00:52:38,990 --> 00:52:37,079
just waited out there now we didn't know

1279
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:39,000
right away that it that we had been

1280
00:52:42,650 --> 00:52:41,280
followed by this thing until we kind of

1281
00:52:45,950 --> 00:52:42,660
came out of this little area where we

1282
00:52:48,109 --> 00:52:45,960
were exploring this little uh

1283
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:48,119
whatever this thing I was kind of trippy

1284
00:52:50,809 --> 00:52:49,440
I mean I've got pictures I'll send them

1285
00:52:52,250 --> 00:52:50,819
she was pretty amazing actually what we

1286
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:52,260
found I'm kind of shocked that no one's

1287
00:52:55,849 --> 00:52:54,000
even talked about this before yeah but

1288
00:52:58,730 --> 00:52:55,859
but yes but we drove back out to the

1289
00:53:00,530 --> 00:52:58,740
road and uh and I'm looking at this

1290
00:53:02,809 --> 00:53:00,540
black SUV and I'm thinking is this guy

1291
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:02,819
going to follow us it's all totally dark

1292
00:53:06,530 --> 00:53:04,800
tinted out windows

1293
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:06,540
um so I pulled over and I got out of the

1294
00:53:11,450 --> 00:53:08,960
car and took pictures of it and I'm I'm

1295
00:53:13,010 --> 00:53:11,460
assuming that whoever was driving that

1296
00:53:15,770 --> 00:53:13,020
vehicle had to know that we were taking

1297
00:53:18,109 --> 00:53:15,780
pictures of it so uh when we got back on

1298
00:53:21,230 --> 00:53:18,119
the freeway it we were watching the rear

1299
00:53:23,329 --> 00:53:21,240
view mirror and it didn't seem to uh be

1300
00:53:24,770 --> 00:53:23,339
following us anymore I'm probably

1301
00:53:26,569 --> 00:53:24,780
because we figured out that we were

1302
00:53:28,970 --> 00:53:26,579
being followed I know that sounds kind

1303
00:53:31,309 --> 00:53:28,980
of crazy and a little bit uh but that

1304
00:53:32,569 --> 00:53:31,319
really happens so I just wanted to share

1305
00:53:35,390 --> 00:53:32,579
that with you but I'm going to pass it

1306
00:53:37,490 --> 00:53:35,400
back over to Erica rephrase briefly that

1307
00:53:39,230 --> 00:53:37,500
question about the disinformation and

1308
00:53:41,390 --> 00:53:39,240
the 50 what you were saying just before

1309
00:53:43,609 --> 00:53:41,400
I jumped in there

1310
00:53:46,010 --> 00:53:43,619
well I think you were asking me about

1311
00:53:48,589 --> 00:53:46,020
social engineering and uh

1312
00:53:51,770 --> 00:53:48,599
I don't know I think a good way to

1313
00:53:53,809 --> 00:53:51,780
explain this is um being in a bad

1314
00:53:55,790 --> 00:53:53,819
relationship with a partner you know at

1315
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:55,800
first it's uh

1316
00:54:01,790 --> 00:53:59,280
um okay it's flashy it's wonderful

1317
00:54:03,710 --> 00:54:01,800
um and then you know you don't know how

1318
00:54:06,349 --> 00:54:03,720
terrible it is until you get out of it

1319
00:54:09,170 --> 00:54:06,359
and you know for me that was kind of the

1320
00:54:12,290 --> 00:54:09,180
confines of of ufology I mean the first

1321
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:12,300
time I walked into uh a symposium I

1322
00:54:15,790 --> 00:54:14,640
couldn't believe my eyes my ears uh

1323
00:54:18,890 --> 00:54:15,800
people were

1324
00:54:21,950 --> 00:54:18,900
spreading rumors and finger pointing and

1325
00:54:24,109 --> 00:54:21,960
and it was just I could not believe this

1326
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:24,119
is how Humanity treats the most

1327
00:54:28,970 --> 00:54:26,880
important subject uh in the world right

1328
00:54:31,730 --> 00:54:28,980
now and uh so I was kind of just

1329
00:54:33,890 --> 00:54:31,740
mortified and uh Dolores Cannon I didn't

1330
00:54:35,630 --> 00:54:33,900
know who she was at the time she walked

1331
00:54:38,210 --> 00:54:35,640
through the crowd because you know

1332
00:54:40,190 --> 00:54:38,220
intuitively in everything you know she

1333
00:54:42,349 --> 00:54:40,200
could see the look on my face and knew

1334
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:42,359
you know what I was going through so she

1335
00:54:46,190 --> 00:54:43,920
walked me outside and we spent about two

1336
00:54:47,630 --> 00:54:46,200
hours talking and at the very end she

1337
00:54:49,790 --> 00:54:47,640
said by the way how do you like this

1338
00:54:52,730 --> 00:54:49,800
conference and I said sweetie this is a

1339
00:54:55,370 --> 00:54:52,740
terrible Place uh people are mutilating

1340
00:54:58,490 --> 00:54:55,380
the subject and everyone's smiling about

1341
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:58,500
it it's it's terrible to me and she

1342
00:55:02,390 --> 00:55:00,480
looks at me and smiles with that that

1343
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:02,400
wise look in her eyes and she says Eric

1344
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:05,520
this is my conference so

1345
00:55:12,170 --> 00:55:08,160
I kind of embarrassed myself but you

1346
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:12,180
know looking at the whole thing it's

1347
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:15,359
partly greed partly narcissism you've

1348
00:55:19,130 --> 00:55:17,280
got to pick you know the subject that's

1349
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:19,140
popular right now and you have to be the

1350
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:22,079
front runner and uh you know get the

1351
00:55:26,210 --> 00:55:24,240
popularity and the money and whatever it

1352
00:55:28,010 --> 00:55:26,220
takes you know from all that so I am

1353
00:55:28,970 --> 00:55:28,020
mortified by that but that you know side

1354
00:55:33,170 --> 00:55:28,980
note

1355
00:55:34,609 --> 00:55:33,180
uh in 2014 I was talking to uh a man

1356
00:55:37,130 --> 00:55:34,619
that was going through a really hard

1357
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:37,140
time and I don't think he reminds me

1358
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:40,079
mentioning his name Ray Hernandez

1359
00:55:45,470 --> 00:55:43,200
um and he was talking you know

1360
00:55:47,870 --> 00:55:45,480
he was in the stage of absolute

1361
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:47,880
Obsession you know you can't just have

1362
00:55:52,130 --> 00:55:50,160
one of these experiences and be fine the

1363
00:55:55,370 --> 00:55:52,140
next day you know he needed answers he

1364
00:55:57,049 --> 00:55:55,380
was looking a very intelligent man

1365
00:55:59,390 --> 00:55:57,059
and uh

1366
00:56:01,790 --> 00:55:59,400
he was involved also with Dr Edgar

1367
00:56:03,890 --> 00:56:01,800
Mitchell the Sixth Man on the Moon and

1368
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:03,900
uh I met him and began to talk to him

1369
00:56:08,990 --> 00:56:05,520
about you know all the things that I've

1370
00:56:11,210 --> 00:56:09,000
been through and uh over time he and I

1371
00:56:13,069 --> 00:56:11,220
became good friends I mean we we spoke

1372
00:56:14,750 --> 00:56:13,079
pretty much every Tuesday night he would

1373
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:14,760
call up and say hey Eric you got your

1374
00:56:19,730 --> 00:56:17,040
scotch and I'd say yep I got my scotch

1375
00:56:21,290 --> 00:56:19,740
and of course uh it was a cheap beer I

1376
00:56:23,870 --> 00:56:21,300
couldn't afford Scotch but you know I'd

1377
00:56:26,690 --> 00:56:23,880
have a drink or two with them and um you

1378
00:56:28,250 --> 00:56:26,700
know for the most part when he left

1379
00:56:31,250 --> 00:56:28,260
Earth he looked back in this little

1380
00:56:33,950 --> 00:56:31,260
porthole and just looked at this tiny

1381
00:56:36,650 --> 00:56:33,960
blue Green Dot realizing how much greed

1382
00:56:38,450 --> 00:56:36,660
and genocide and anger and all these

1383
00:56:40,730 --> 00:56:38,460
things all these crazy things are going

1384
00:56:43,549 --> 00:56:40,740
on this tiny little planet and he gets

1385
00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:43,559
this absolute silence in space looking

1386
00:56:49,069 --> 00:56:46,160
at this thing going wow and I think

1387
00:56:51,470 --> 00:56:49,079
philosophically it really did a lot to

1388
00:56:55,309 --> 00:56:51,480
his thinking and um so he and I didn't

1389
00:56:57,530 --> 00:56:55,319
we we did talk about UFOs but our major

1390
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:57,540
subjects you know just kicking back and

1391
00:57:02,089 --> 00:57:00,240
having a few drinks was alternate ways

1392
00:57:05,930 --> 00:57:02,099
of philosophy and and really looking

1393
00:57:07,790 --> 00:57:05,940
into the world but he did confide in me

1394
00:57:11,450 --> 00:57:07,800
um that you know about the the Wilson

1395
00:57:13,549 --> 00:57:11,460
memos and that it did happen and um

1396
00:57:16,190 --> 00:57:13,559
so of course Edgar

1397
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:16,200
you can't buy that man's uh type of

1398
00:57:20,210 --> 00:57:18,240
Integrity I mean he's not going to lie

1399
00:57:22,790 --> 00:57:20,220
to anybody and

1400
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:22,800
um he's from a time where lying was much

1401
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:25,200
worse than what it is now you know uh he

1402
00:57:28,609 --> 00:57:27,119
grew up in the in the 40s for Christ's

1403
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:28,619
sake so

1404
00:57:33,890 --> 00:57:31,920
um his absolute honesty was was daunting

1405
00:57:37,309 --> 00:57:33,900
you know and uh you know for people to

1406
00:57:38,750 --> 00:57:37,319
say he was lying uh takes me off you

1407
00:57:41,870 --> 00:57:38,760
know because if he was alive he'd give

1408
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:41,880
him a right hook and uh but yeah he told

1409
00:57:46,849 --> 00:57:44,880
me and I do hear that ufology has a big

1410
00:57:49,970 --> 00:57:46,859
problem with this uh with this meeting

1411
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:49,980
that happened but look it did you know

1412
00:57:52,910 --> 00:57:50,640
um

1413
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:52,920
the man wouldn't lie to me about it he

1414
00:57:56,450 --> 00:57:54,720
had no reason to lie to me about it and

1415
00:57:58,730 --> 00:57:56,460
I sure as heck didn't go running around

1416
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:58,740
saying hey I learned information here

1417
00:58:03,650 --> 00:58:00,720
you know I'm usually pretty quiet about

1418
00:58:06,829 --> 00:58:03,660
things I learned but uh but yeah it did

1419
00:58:10,329 --> 00:58:06,839
happen and you know I I honestly think

1420
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:10,339
that there's so much greed and

1421
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:13,200
self-importance involved in ufology

1422
00:58:19,490 --> 00:58:17,280
itself that it's easily manipulated uh

1423
00:58:22,130 --> 00:58:19,500
through the blinders you know and it

1424
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:22,140
could easily be manipulated if you step

1425
00:58:26,690 --> 00:58:24,720
back you know out of the waves and and

1426
00:58:29,210 --> 00:58:26,700
look really look at them you know you

1427
00:58:32,990 --> 00:58:29,220
can tell what's pushing and pulling

1428
00:58:35,630 --> 00:58:33,000
and uh so uh don't get me wrong I mean

1429
00:58:37,549 --> 00:58:35,640
there's a lot of uh amazing ufologists

1430
00:58:38,990 --> 00:58:37,559
that uh I've just literally fallen in

1431
00:58:40,190 --> 00:58:39,000
love with over the years some great

1432
00:58:42,410 --> 00:58:40,200
people

1433
00:58:45,410 --> 00:58:42,420
um but you know there's also uh pretty

1434
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:45,420
nefarious people and and uh um you got

1435
00:58:50,569 --> 00:58:47,520
to keep an eye out for that as well

1436
00:58:54,410 --> 00:58:50,579
for sure and it seems like from Aliens

1437
00:58:57,770 --> 00:58:54,420
to Cryptids to unexplained phenomena you

1438
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:57,780
guys were uncovering the weird for quite

1439
00:59:02,450 --> 00:59:00,480
some time it seemed your trip was like

1440
00:59:05,150 --> 00:59:02,460
you know

1441
00:59:07,010 --> 00:59:05,160
it was like Fear and Loathing but UFO

1442
00:59:08,349 --> 00:59:07,020
style and

1443
00:59:11,450 --> 00:59:08,359
um

1444
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:11,460
very well said I love the updates when

1445
00:59:14,809 --> 00:59:12,960
you were on your road trip I would get

1446
00:59:18,770 --> 00:59:14,819
updates and I'm just like where are they

1447
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:18,780
now no way and it's just it was just so

1448
00:59:23,089 --> 00:59:20,400
cool getting your updates while you guys

1449
00:59:25,849 --> 00:59:23,099
were on the road during this uh extreme

1450
00:59:28,130 --> 00:59:25,859
Excursion were there any highlights that

1451
00:59:30,829 --> 00:59:28,140
stand out to the two of you

1452
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:30,839
oh God there's too many I mean I don't I

1453
00:59:34,010 --> 00:59:32,160
don't think there wasn't a day that

1454
00:59:36,589 --> 00:59:34,020
passed by that wasn't like wow we

1455
00:59:38,750 --> 00:59:36,599
learned a lot of stuff today

1456
00:59:41,809 --> 00:59:38,760
um but in meeting Sue Walker you know

1457
00:59:43,970 --> 00:59:41,819
for me was was pretty awesome I'd never

1458
00:59:45,530 --> 00:59:43,980
heard of her before apparently we were

1459
00:59:46,730 --> 00:59:45,540
already Facebook friends but never

1460
00:59:49,730 --> 00:59:46,740
spoken

1461
00:59:51,289 --> 00:59:49,740
and uh the moment I met her I decided

1462
00:59:55,069 --> 00:59:51,299
okay I'm sitting down it's freaking

1463
00:59:57,289 --> 00:59:55,079
story time bro you know so uh her gentle

1464
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:57,299
nature just really lit up the room and

1465
01:00:01,370 --> 00:59:59,520
uh felt so comfortable uh spending time

1466
01:00:03,289 --> 01:00:01,380
with her so that was just a pretty

1467
01:00:05,390 --> 01:00:03,299
amazing for me

1468
01:00:07,549 --> 01:00:05,400
um and the way she spoke and and uh

1469
01:00:09,890 --> 01:00:07,559
relayed the information uh that she had

1470
01:00:13,069 --> 01:00:09,900
was just uh incredible but yeah if you

1471
01:00:15,170 --> 01:00:13,079
put uh me and Eric the adventure

1472
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:15,180
together and a tank of gas man you got

1473
01:00:19,250 --> 01:00:16,799
yourself a reality show you'll never

1474
01:00:23,390 --> 01:00:19,260
forget you're not kidding that would be

1475
01:00:27,170 --> 01:00:23,400
epic I mean epic reality TV

1476
01:00:29,809 --> 01:00:27,180
uh this is the air 2.0 again so this was

1477
01:00:32,450 --> 01:00:29,819
my favorite experience

1478
01:00:33,770 --> 01:00:32,460
uh of the trip is uh so we get to

1479
01:00:36,109 --> 01:00:33,780
Albuquerque

1480
01:00:37,789 --> 01:00:36,119
and we're we're really we left we were

1481
01:00:39,370 --> 01:00:37,799
staying in Flagstaff

1482
01:00:42,650 --> 01:00:39,380
and us

1483
01:00:44,930 --> 01:00:42,660
Eric was funny he'd go out and and have

1484
01:00:47,270 --> 01:00:44,940
a beer at the local place there and he'd

1485
01:00:49,010 --> 01:00:47,280
run into people and he he I don't know

1486
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:49,020
how he does it but he would say oh yeah

1487
01:00:52,190 --> 01:00:50,880
this person's an experiencer and before

1488
01:00:54,410 --> 01:00:52,200
you know it he'd be having a

1489
01:00:56,990 --> 01:00:54,420
conversation with a stranger and the

1490
01:00:59,089 --> 01:00:57,000
stranger would be telling Eric about his

1491
01:01:01,670 --> 01:00:59,099
experiences with UFOs and so on and so

1492
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:01,680
forth so he's got this innate ability to

1493
01:01:06,609 --> 01:01:03,839
read these read people

1494
01:01:09,710 --> 01:01:06,619
um so anyway so we were driving to from

1495
01:01:11,210 --> 01:01:09,720
Flagstaff heading to Albuquerque and I'm

1496
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:11,220
thinking in my head I didn't even tell

1497
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:13,440
Eric I go Eric's got to meet Sue Walker

1498
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:15,599
she's the lady that's got the uh the

1499
01:01:19,730 --> 01:01:17,760
Ponte that she communicates that that

1500
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:19,740
are living in the Sandia Mountain there

1501
01:01:24,530 --> 01:01:23,040
in Albuquerque and so uh I said hey

1502
01:01:26,510 --> 01:01:24,540
we're gonna we're gonna go see Sue

1503
01:01:28,069 --> 01:01:26,520
Walker I want you to meet her so like

1504
01:01:30,049 --> 01:01:28,079
Eric just said we got there and we we

1505
01:01:31,849 --> 01:01:30,059
had a great conversation she allowed me

1506
01:01:34,730 --> 01:01:31,859
to record some of the conversation with

1507
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:34,740
all headed and put out later but uh but

1508
01:01:40,370 --> 01:01:37,200
anyway so I was asking her questions

1509
01:01:42,650 --> 01:01:40,380
about the mountain and I said so where

1510
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:42,660
where did where did they fly where where

1511
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:44,880
are they where are they moving around us

1512
01:01:48,890 --> 01:01:47,040
and so she she drew me uh she pulled up

1513
01:01:51,109 --> 01:01:48,900
the Google Earth and she showed me on on

1514
01:01:52,970 --> 01:01:51,119
the on the mountain where they're where

1515
01:01:55,370 --> 01:01:52,980
they're being seen

1516
01:01:57,890 --> 01:01:55,380
and uh so what's interesting is if

1517
01:01:59,930 --> 01:01:57,900
you're if you're on the Real Vista I

1518
01:02:01,670 --> 01:01:59,940
think is where she was a Rio Rancho or

1519
01:02:03,289 --> 01:02:01,680
Rio Vista see I think she's up on the

1520
01:02:05,150 --> 01:02:03,299
hill I think it was Rio Rancho or Rio

1521
01:02:06,650 --> 01:02:05,160
Vista which is right slightly above

1522
01:02:08,510 --> 01:02:06,660
Albuquerque

1523
01:02:10,190 --> 01:02:08,520
um that side of the mountain is not

1524
01:02:11,569 --> 01:02:10,200
where you're gonna see them

1525
01:02:13,069 --> 01:02:11,579
they're they're for whatever reason

1526
01:02:14,450 --> 01:02:13,079
they're moving around on the other side

1527
01:02:16,490 --> 01:02:14,460
of the mountain which is kind of a

1528
01:02:18,109 --> 01:02:16,500
remote area where there's really not

1529
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:18,119
very many homes if any over there it's

1530
01:02:22,010 --> 01:02:20,640
more of a forested area and so she Drew

1531
01:02:23,390 --> 01:02:22,020
this little diagram she says they're

1532
01:02:25,789 --> 01:02:23,400
they're kind of moving in and out of

1533
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:25,799
this little area right here so then I

1534
01:02:28,970 --> 01:02:27,599
went on the Google Earth when I got back

1535
01:02:30,589 --> 01:02:28,980
to the hotel I went on the Google Earth

1536
01:02:32,510 --> 01:02:30,599
and I just started doing the you know

1537
01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:32,520
searches trying to figure out what kind

1538
01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:34,079
of landmarks are up there what's up

1539
01:02:38,450 --> 01:02:36,960
there and and I'm searching searching

1540
01:02:40,250 --> 01:02:38,460
searching then all of a sudden I come

1541
01:02:41,930 --> 01:02:40,260
across this spot it's about ten thousand

1542
01:02:44,450 --> 01:02:41,940
feet up on the back side of the Sandia

1543
01:02:46,250 --> 01:02:44,460
mountain and it says right there on the

1544
01:02:49,490 --> 01:02:46,260
map you can see yourself if you look it

1545
01:02:51,230 --> 01:02:49,500
up it said the rabbit hole medicine shop

1546
01:02:52,849 --> 01:02:51,240
and I thought what the heck is this

1547
01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:52,859
there's a business up there called The

1548
01:02:57,470 --> 01:02:55,680
Rabbit Hole medicine shop and on on the

1549
01:02:59,329 --> 01:02:57,480
Google Earth when you click on that and

1550
01:03:01,849 --> 01:02:59,339
then you looked at so even got a website

1551
01:03:03,770 --> 01:03:01,859
and so I clicked on the website and it

1552
01:03:05,450 --> 01:03:03,780
was it was shut down it's no longer

1553
01:03:07,789 --> 01:03:05,460
being used so I thought this is weird

1554
01:03:09,170 --> 01:03:07,799
why why is there this Rabbit Hole

1555
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:09,180
medicine shop in the middle of the

1556
01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:10,559
mountain up there in the Sandia Mountain

1557
01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:13,200
so I said to Eric I said uh

1558
01:03:17,329 --> 01:03:15,359
I said look at this I said uh well let's

1559
01:03:18,770 --> 01:03:17,339
take a drive up there let's go let's it

1560
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:18,780
was about a 40-minute drive so we went

1561
01:03:23,690 --> 01:03:20,880
up there the next day we drove up there

1562
01:03:25,849 --> 01:03:23,700
and uh we found the spot because I had

1563
01:03:28,309 --> 01:03:25,859
done a really extensive research trying

1564
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:28,319
to figure out exactly where this was and

1565
01:03:32,210 --> 01:03:30,000
we came around this little area and we

1566
01:03:35,329 --> 01:03:32,220
and we found the area where this little

1567
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:35,339
road was that had been blocked off

1568
01:03:39,289 --> 01:03:36,960
um you can't even it was not even a road

1569
01:03:41,750 --> 01:03:39,299
actually it was like a pathway where you

1570
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:41,760
could drive a car on this pathway but it

1571
01:03:44,569 --> 01:03:43,200
had been blocked off there had been some

1572
01:03:47,630 --> 01:03:44,579
Boulders have been put there and they

1573
01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:47,640
staked some uh like uh what do they call

1574
01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:49,680
kind of think here telephone poles

1575
01:03:52,250 --> 01:03:50,880
you'll cut them in half and kind of

1576
01:03:54,109 --> 01:03:52,260
staked them in the ground so nobody can

1577
01:03:55,789 --> 01:03:54,119
drive up there so we're thinking okay

1578
01:03:57,770 --> 01:03:55,799
this has got to be maybe this is the

1579
01:03:59,809 --> 01:03:57,780
area where you could clearly see there's

1580
01:04:02,750 --> 01:03:59,819
a path here so we just started walking

1581
01:04:04,670 --> 01:04:02,760
and we're walking down this path and

1582
01:04:06,770 --> 01:04:04,680
we're not even 100 yards in and then

1583
01:04:08,089 --> 01:04:06,780
Eric and I'm filming all this so I'm

1584
01:04:10,069 --> 01:04:08,099
just kind of looking straight ahead with

1585
01:04:12,410 --> 01:04:10,079
my iPad just kind of filming and Eric

1586
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:12,420
node is off to the right this what I've

1587
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:13,920
what I've showed him and what he's come

1588
01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:15,599
to learn about is these tree structures

1589
01:04:20,030 --> 01:04:17,760
which I I believe the Bigfoot make these

1590
01:04:24,770 --> 01:04:20,040
tree structures and it was very obvious

1591
01:04:26,510 --> 01:04:24,780
that there was several branches or trees

1592
01:04:28,309 --> 01:04:26,520
they weren't skinny they were pretty

1593
01:04:31,309 --> 01:04:28,319
good size they were all kind of teepied

1594
01:04:33,109 --> 01:04:31,319
up like in a TP structure and I thought

1595
01:04:34,789 --> 01:04:33,119
yeah that that looks like what I've seen

1596
01:04:37,130 --> 01:04:34,799
in other places that's very interesting

1597
01:04:39,289 --> 01:04:37,140
so so I thought okay well this is

1598
01:04:41,030 --> 01:04:39,299
interesting so we just kept walking and

1599
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:41,040
then and then we came across another

1600
01:04:45,710 --> 01:04:42,720
tree structure and this one was even

1601
01:04:47,089 --> 01:04:45,720
more intricate it had more more uh more

1602
01:04:48,950 --> 01:04:47,099
trees and they were kind of woven

1603
01:04:51,589 --> 01:04:48,960
together and kind of put in such a way

1604
01:04:53,270 --> 01:04:51,599
where it was very obvious that this

1605
01:04:54,890 --> 01:04:53,280
wasn't something that a human made and

1606
01:04:56,990 --> 01:04:54,900
and we're kind of Off the Grid now we're

1607
01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:57,000
about I would say a couple hundred yards

1608
01:05:02,450 --> 01:05:00,000
into the Forest Area off the road at

1609
01:05:04,970 --> 01:05:02,460
least a couple hundred yards 150 yards

1610
01:05:06,589 --> 01:05:04,980
maybe and so now we're walking and we're

1611
01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:06,599
we're kind of going on this pathway

1612
01:05:10,730 --> 01:05:09,119
thinking that we've got to go about 2

1613
01:05:12,890 --> 01:05:10,740
000 feet off the road to get to where

1614
01:05:15,049 --> 01:05:12,900
the map says this is where the rabbit

1615
01:05:16,190 --> 01:05:15,059
hole medicine shop is and it's been a

1616
01:05:18,470 --> 01:05:16,200
little bit of light snow on the ground

1617
01:05:20,750 --> 01:05:18,480
and now we're seeing the bear prints and

1618
01:05:23,569 --> 01:05:20,760
uh Prince on the on the ground

1619
01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:23,579
very good size and we're thinking these

1620
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:24,720
are fresh

1621
01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:27,119
so uh we're thinking that maybe it's not

1622
01:05:31,370 --> 01:05:29,280
such a good idea to just to keep walking

1623
01:05:33,770 --> 01:05:31,380
although we I wanted to keep going but

1624
01:05:35,270 --> 01:05:33,780
we didn't have any kind of protection it

1625
01:05:38,390 --> 01:05:35,280
was obvious that the bear had been there

1626
01:05:41,630 --> 01:05:38,400
recently so we decided to turn around

1627
01:05:43,309 --> 01:05:41,640
so we turn around and uh and then on the

1628
01:05:45,230 --> 01:05:43,319
right hand side up on the hill about

1629
01:05:47,809 --> 01:05:45,240
halfway up this mountain we see what I

1630
01:05:50,510 --> 01:05:47,819
call a nest it was this it was this

1631
01:05:52,010 --> 01:05:50,520
again another structure that that I'm

1632
01:05:53,510 --> 01:05:52,020
going to assume that the Bigfoot made

1633
01:05:55,250 --> 01:05:53,520
this I don't have evidence that that

1634
01:05:56,870 --> 01:05:55,260
they made this but it's kind of this

1635
01:05:59,809 --> 01:05:56,880
Nest thing that's on the side of the

1636
01:06:01,609 --> 01:05:59,819
Hill I've got pictures of that uh why

1637
01:06:03,890 --> 01:06:01,619
why they build these things or what the

1638
01:06:06,650 --> 01:06:03,900
purpose is I have no idea but it was

1639
01:06:08,390 --> 01:06:06,660
again not man-made so so now we're

1640
01:06:10,970 --> 01:06:08,400
walking a little bit further now this is

1641
01:06:13,190 --> 01:06:10,980
where it gets really crazy so up again

1642
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:13,200
on the side of the Hill uh

1643
01:06:19,069 --> 01:06:16,319
there's we see this almost brand new uh

1644
01:06:22,430 --> 01:06:19,079
what was it a Fiat a light a lime green

1645
01:06:23,450 --> 01:06:22,440
Fiat that had been flipped over upside

1646
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:23,460
down

1647
01:06:26,990 --> 01:06:25,440
and so we had to kind of work our way

1648
01:06:28,549 --> 01:06:27,000
through this through the branches and

1649
01:06:30,650 --> 01:06:28,559
through the through the bushes and kind

1650
01:06:32,089 --> 01:06:30,660
of climb up this hill little ways to get

1651
01:06:34,490 --> 01:06:32,099
up there and then I'm filming all this

1652
01:06:37,130 --> 01:06:34,500
and so we get up there and and this car

1653
01:06:39,950 --> 01:06:37,140
is clean there's no there's no dirt on

1654
01:06:42,170 --> 01:06:39,960
it there's no scratches on it the

1655
01:06:44,510 --> 01:06:42,180
windows aren't broken

1656
01:06:47,630 --> 01:06:44,520
um I'm able to kind of get down because

1657
01:06:50,089 --> 01:06:47,640
it is upside down and film into the car

1658
01:06:53,329 --> 01:06:50,099
and there's obviously nobody was in the

1659
01:06:55,490 --> 01:06:53,339
car nobody nobody was injured or there's

1660
01:06:57,710 --> 01:06:55,500
no blood in the car it was really

1661
01:07:00,470 --> 01:06:57,720
bizarre so we're now we're walking

1662
01:07:03,650 --> 01:07:00,480
around this car and and there's all the

1663
01:07:05,870 --> 01:07:03,660
trees around it none of the branches are

1664
01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:05,880
broken none of the trees are broken uh

1665
01:07:10,910 --> 01:07:08,640
there's no indication that that this

1666
01:07:12,829 --> 01:07:10,920
thing flipped off the mountain and

1667
01:07:14,990 --> 01:07:12,839
rolled down the hill we went up the hill

1668
01:07:17,329 --> 01:07:15,000
drove around on the top side of the Hill

1669
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:17,339
trying to find evidence of how this car

1670
01:07:21,170 --> 01:07:19,200
would have got there there was literally

1671
01:07:23,089 --> 01:07:21,180
no evidence that showed us there's no

1672
01:07:27,410 --> 01:07:23,099
way that this car came off the road and

1673
01:07:29,930 --> 01:07:27,420
rolled down there it was a mystery whoa

1674
01:07:32,750 --> 01:07:29,940
got totally bizarre so I took pictures

1675
01:07:36,170 --> 01:07:32,760
of the license plate and there was a

1676
01:07:38,029 --> 01:07:36,180
there was a tag on the car from 722 of

1677
01:07:40,250 --> 01:07:38,039
this year so this car had been there for

1678
01:07:43,849 --> 01:07:40,260
at least three months either the car had

1679
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:43,859
been there for three months or

1680
01:07:48,289 --> 01:07:46,319
I don't it's still a mystery uh we're

1681
01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:48,299
gonna try to figure out who owns the car

1682
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:49,680
we're going to try to figure out what

1683
01:07:52,430 --> 01:07:51,119
happened we want to get the story from

1684
01:07:54,049 --> 01:07:52,440
the people that own the car hopefully

1685
01:07:56,569 --> 01:07:54,059
they're still alive or whatever the deal

1686
01:07:59,630 --> 01:07:56,579
is so that kind of that little research

1687
01:08:01,069 --> 01:07:59,640
Project's on hold but um but so check

1688
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:01,079
this is where it gets really interesting

1689
01:08:06,049 --> 01:08:03,359
so so then we go back to sue Walker's

1690
01:08:07,370 --> 01:08:06,059
house for like another visit and I'm

1691
01:08:08,990 --> 01:08:07,380
showing her these pictures and I'm

1692
01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:09,000
showing her the tree structure she goes

1693
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:10,559
oh yeah that's those are definitely

1694
01:08:14,450 --> 01:08:12,720
Bigfoot tree structures I go were you

1695
01:08:16,729 --> 01:08:14,460
aware that there's Bigfoot up there on

1696
01:08:19,130 --> 01:08:16,739
Sandia Mountain she goes I'd heard about

1697
01:08:22,130 --> 01:08:19,140
it but I didn't I wasn't she wasn't

1698
01:08:25,490 --> 01:08:22,140
totally tuned into that and then uh

1699
01:08:28,249 --> 01:08:25,500
so then I said to her I says well do you

1700
01:08:30,829 --> 01:08:28,259
communicate with this these uh Ponte

1701
01:08:33,289 --> 01:08:30,839
people I said uh can you ask them or can

1702
01:08:35,749 --> 01:08:33,299
you try to do whatever it is you do to

1703
01:08:37,970 --> 01:08:35,759
somehow inquire as to how this car got

1704
01:08:40,189 --> 01:08:37,980
there and she says well it's not that

1705
01:08:43,130 --> 01:08:40,199
simple but I'll I'll see what I can do

1706
01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:43,140
and then uh so we left we had to we got

1707
01:08:46,849 --> 01:08:44,880
to hit the road back heading now heading

1708
01:08:49,070 --> 01:08:46,859
out towards Amarillo Texas and back to

1709
01:08:51,650 --> 01:08:49,080
Arkansas and then and then I get a

1710
01:08:53,749 --> 01:08:51,660
message from her saying that uh the

1711
01:08:56,269 --> 01:08:53,759
communication that she got

1712
01:08:59,090 --> 01:08:56,279
from I'm assuming it was the Ponte

1713
01:09:02,809 --> 01:08:59,100
people was that these people that that

1714
01:09:04,669 --> 01:09:02,819
own this light green uh Fiat were had

1715
01:09:06,530 --> 01:09:04,679
driven up there like three months ago

1716
01:09:08,450 --> 01:09:06,540
off on this little road which had since

1717
01:09:10,189 --> 01:09:08,460
been blocked off and there was another

1718
01:09:13,610 --> 01:09:10,199
car up there and I guess they were

1719
01:09:16,189 --> 01:09:13,620
partying up there and and apparently the

1720
01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:16,199
Bigfoot were not happy about this

1721
01:09:21,229 --> 01:09:18,960
so so they chased those people out of

1722
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:21,239
there the people that I'm assuming that

1723
01:09:25,490 --> 01:09:23,759
own the green car got in the got in the

1724
01:09:27,229 --> 01:09:25,500
vehicle with the other people and they

1725
01:09:28,249 --> 01:09:27,239
drove out of there and left their car

1726
01:09:32,090 --> 01:09:28,259
there

1727
01:09:33,890 --> 01:09:32,100
and then she says that the Bigfoot this

1728
01:09:36,890 --> 01:09:33,900
is going to sound totally crazy to you

1729
01:09:38,450 --> 01:09:36,900
the Bigfoot picks the car up and flipped

1730
01:09:40,610 --> 01:09:38,460
it over

1731
01:09:43,130 --> 01:09:40,620
and that's how it got that way now I

1732
01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:43,140
know that's not provable but that's what

1733
01:09:47,689 --> 01:09:44,880
she said and if you were there and you

1734
01:09:49,550 --> 01:09:47,699
saw this Ryan I can't figure out none of

1735
01:09:51,289 --> 01:09:49,560
us can figure out how this car would

1736
01:09:53,870 --> 01:09:51,299
have got there any other way so it is a

1737
01:09:55,550 --> 01:09:53,880
mystery it's bizarre now one more quick

1738
01:09:57,890 --> 01:09:55,560
story there's a lady that lives in

1739
01:10:00,530 --> 01:09:57,900
placitas New Mexico which is only about

1740
01:10:03,050 --> 01:10:00,540
10 miles from this location where we

1741
01:10:04,310 --> 01:10:03,060
were where we saw this and she's a

1742
01:10:06,050 --> 01:10:04,320
Twitter friend of mine she's been

1743
01:10:08,209 --> 01:10:06,060
posting these videos about these lights

1744
01:10:09,890 --> 01:10:08,219
that she's been filming in the area

1745
01:10:11,290 --> 01:10:09,900
right on that side of the mountain in

1746
01:10:14,270 --> 01:10:11,300
the same area

1747
01:10:16,430 --> 01:10:14,280
so uh what I so what I did is I said

1748
01:10:18,169 --> 01:10:16,440
well can you draw me a map and show me

1749
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:18,179
exactly where you're seeing his life and

1750
01:10:22,189 --> 01:10:20,640
she did so we drove up there we're on

1751
01:10:24,229 --> 01:10:22,199
this dirt road we're driving up about

1752
01:10:26,630 --> 01:10:24,239
five or six miles on this Forest dirt

1753
01:10:28,370 --> 01:10:26,640
road which was a really crappy Road and

1754
01:10:30,530 --> 01:10:28,380
and I didn't realize that there was

1755
01:10:32,930 --> 01:10:30,540
caves up there there was a cave up there

1756
01:10:35,149 --> 01:10:32,940
on the side of the mountain uh two of

1757
01:10:36,590 --> 01:10:35,159
them actually and so I was wondering

1758
01:10:39,050 --> 01:10:36,600
well what the heck this is interesting

1759
01:10:41,209 --> 01:10:39,060
we got caves up there so of course that

1760
01:10:42,830 --> 01:10:41,219
night I we we went back and I got on the

1761
01:10:44,270 --> 01:10:42,840
internet I spent five hours on the

1762
01:10:45,830 --> 01:10:44,280
internet trying to figure out you know

1763
01:10:47,209 --> 01:10:45,840
what the deal is with these caves up

1764
01:10:49,370 --> 01:10:47,219
there and I found out this was

1765
01:10:50,990 --> 01:10:49,380
interesting this is a more history that

1766
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:51,000
probably I didn't know about most people

1767
01:10:55,070 --> 01:10:53,520
might not even be aware of but back in

1768
01:10:56,870 --> 01:10:55,080
the day you had the the where you had

1769
01:10:57,770 --> 01:10:56,880
the Zuni and the Hopi Indians before

1770
01:11:03,830 --> 01:10:57,780
that

1771
01:11:05,689 --> 01:11:03,840
muggy own Rim the muggione Mountain

1772
01:11:08,270 --> 01:11:05,699
Ridge range which I think is about 100

1773
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:08,280
100 miles which which kind of extends

1774
01:11:13,130 --> 01:11:11,040
out towards the Sandia mountain and uh

1775
01:11:15,310 --> 01:11:13,140
so he this there was a researcher back

1776
01:11:18,290 --> 01:11:15,320
in the 40s I think his name was Hebron

1777
01:11:21,169 --> 01:11:18,300
archaeologists famous uh in his time and

1778
01:11:23,570 --> 01:11:21,179
well known and well respected who had

1779
01:11:26,990 --> 01:11:23,580
got in who this cave had got into the

1780
01:11:29,450 --> 01:11:27,000
cave and had found evidence of a people

1781
01:11:32,090 --> 01:11:29,460
that had that had lived there at one

1782
01:11:34,130 --> 01:11:32,100
time that were there before the mugion

1783
01:11:35,870 --> 01:11:34,140
so there the archaeologists are saying

1784
01:11:38,090 --> 01:11:35,880
these muggy owned people that were like

1785
01:11:40,910 --> 01:11:38,100
an Indian race of people prior to the

1786
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:40,920
Zuni and the Hopi about 12 000 years ago

1787
01:11:45,050 --> 01:11:42,960
they discovered that there was another

1788
01:11:48,290 --> 01:11:45,060
people that lived there and he estimated

1789
01:11:50,990 --> 01:11:48,300
about 25 000 years ago and these people

1790
01:11:53,090 --> 01:11:51,000
were called the Sandia people and that's

1791
01:11:55,189 --> 01:11:53,100
how the name Sandia Mountain got its

1792
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:55,199
name because there was of Sandia people

1793
01:11:58,070 --> 01:11:56,880
now I don't know what kind of people

1794
01:11:59,510 --> 01:11:58,080
these were I don't know if they they

1795
01:12:01,970 --> 01:11:59,520
were Indians or if they were hybrid

1796
01:12:03,770 --> 01:12:01,980
aliens or what they were but there were

1797
01:12:05,209 --> 01:12:03,780
people up there called the Sandia people

1798
01:12:07,130 --> 01:12:05,219
I just thought that was an interesting

1799
01:12:08,930 --> 01:12:07,140
story there's a lot more research that

1800
01:12:10,610 --> 01:12:08,940
can be done there but we had to hit the

1801
01:12:13,030 --> 01:12:10,620
road and head out to Arkansas but but

1802
01:12:16,790 --> 01:12:13,040
I'm excited about that story

1803
01:12:19,189 --> 01:12:16,800
absolutely unbelievable man wow

1804
01:12:21,470 --> 01:12:19,199
absolutely wild and this is interesting

1805
01:12:24,530 --> 01:12:21,480
something else that's wild just a

1806
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:24,540
strange synchronicity or coincidence I

1807
01:12:28,910 --> 01:12:25,440
guess

1808
01:12:31,810 --> 01:12:28,920
is um I got some anti-mobile spyware

1809
01:12:35,330 --> 01:12:31,820
from a gentleman I know a professional

1810
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:35,340
here in Las Vegas that um I'm a member

1811
01:12:38,510 --> 01:12:37,199
of uh anyway we've got some similar

1812
01:12:41,930 --> 01:12:38,520
interests

1813
01:12:43,850 --> 01:12:41,940
and he gave me this anti-mobile spyware

1814
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:43,860
basically how to tell if your phone is

1815
01:12:49,610 --> 01:12:46,320
being monitored I've had it all set up

1816
01:12:53,149 --> 01:12:49,620
in on my devices it's never come on

1817
01:12:56,030 --> 01:12:53,159
and go figure on this conversation just

1818
01:12:59,870 --> 01:12:56,040
about 15 20 minutes ago this orange

1819
01:13:03,530 --> 01:12:59,880
warning light came on to uh basically a

1820
01:13:06,350 --> 01:13:03,540
code to let you know that your phone is

1821
01:13:08,810 --> 01:13:06,360
being listened monitored or spied upon

1822
01:13:11,570 --> 01:13:08,820
so I just thought that that was very

1823
01:13:14,209 --> 01:13:11,580
interesting and I would mention it

1824
01:13:15,950 --> 01:13:14,219
um yeah it's never this this orange

1825
01:13:18,410 --> 01:13:15,960
warning light has never come on showing

1826
01:13:20,750 --> 01:13:18,420
that you're being tractor monitored and

1827
01:13:22,430 --> 01:13:20,760
just go figure I I see it light up while

1828
01:13:25,370 --> 01:13:22,440
you guys were talking and I thought oh

1829
01:13:27,169 --> 01:13:25,380
this is great so anyway you might it's

1830
01:13:28,850 --> 01:13:27,179
just an interesting I'm aware of what

1831
01:13:30,229 --> 01:13:28,860
you just described because I have a

1832
01:13:32,630 --> 01:13:30,239
friend who

1833
01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:32,640
who has that same system and uh

1834
01:13:37,610 --> 01:13:35,040
sometimes we have conversations that are

1835
01:13:39,649 --> 01:13:37,620
not probably shouldn't be heard and uh

1836
01:13:42,830 --> 01:13:39,659
he's always looking at that light to see

1837
01:13:45,229 --> 01:13:42,840
if it comes on and uh yeah I'm I'm

1838
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:45,239
pretty confident that Eric's being

1839
01:13:48,530 --> 01:13:47,040
monitored and I'm gonna probably guess

1840
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:48,540
that because I'm hanging around with him

1841
01:13:53,810 --> 01:13:50,640
and I'm doing this kind of Deep dive

1842
01:13:55,790 --> 01:13:53,820
type research uh it you know I try to

1843
01:13:57,530 --> 01:13:55,800
present the information without getting

1844
01:13:59,330 --> 01:13:57,540
into Super you know what I mean I don't

1845
01:14:01,990 --> 01:13:59,340
try to speculate or try to create a

1846
01:14:05,149 --> 01:14:02,000
bunch of uh paranoia or Panic

1847
01:14:07,669 --> 01:14:05,159
it's we but yeah I mean yeah that's

1848
01:14:09,709 --> 01:14:07,679
interesting I'm kind of a I try to be

1849
01:14:12,290 --> 01:14:09,719
careful but you know how it is Ryan

1850
01:14:14,930 --> 01:14:12,300
you're in the rabbit hole you know how

1851
01:14:16,189 --> 01:14:14,940
that can be once you're in the rabbit

1852
01:14:17,870 --> 01:14:16,199
hole and they know you're in the rabbit

1853
01:14:19,550 --> 01:14:17,880
hole you're you're going to be watched

1854
01:14:21,229 --> 01:14:19,560
that's just the way it works and you

1855
01:14:25,430 --> 01:14:21,239
know might as well pull up a seat and

1856
01:14:26,750 --> 01:14:25,440
kick up your feet yeah yeah and Eric I'm

1857
01:14:28,250 --> 01:14:26,760
gonna hand the phone back over to Eric

1858
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:28,260
if you've got any more questions or

1859
01:14:31,310 --> 01:14:29,760
stories you want to review with him I'm

1860
01:14:34,610 --> 01:14:31,320
gonna I'm gonna pass it over back over

1861
01:14:36,890 --> 01:14:34,620
to him all right thank you hey Ryan hey

1862
01:14:39,830 --> 01:14:36,900
this has been an amazing conversation I

1863
01:14:41,930 --> 01:14:39,840
was just just blown away my my head is

1864
01:14:44,330 --> 01:14:41,940
blown by all the uh all the things that

1865
01:14:47,390 --> 01:14:44,340
you guys have been tapping into and this

1866
01:14:49,189 --> 01:14:47,400
amazing this amazing experience and road

1867
01:14:51,410 --> 01:14:49,199
trip that you've been on

1868
01:14:53,930 --> 01:14:51,420
um was there anything that uh blew your

1869
01:14:56,450 --> 01:14:53,940
mind or lastly you know as we wrap up

1870
01:14:58,130 --> 01:14:56,460
that that stood out to you on this on

1871
01:15:00,890 --> 01:14:58,140
this trip

1872
01:15:02,630 --> 01:15:00,900
oh man it was it was all great you know

1873
01:15:04,370 --> 01:15:02,640
we're I guess we're too old to be doing

1874
01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:04,380
this stuff you know especially for 20

1875
01:15:10,310 --> 01:15:07,199
something days at a time but uh no it

1876
01:15:12,470 --> 01:15:10,320
was it was all great you know I uh I did

1877
01:15:15,410 --> 01:15:12,480
get curious about Sue because I'd never

1878
01:15:16,850 --> 01:15:15,420
you know heard about her before

1879
01:15:19,010 --> 01:15:16,860
um but he was on the phone with her and

1880
01:15:20,990 --> 01:15:19,020
we were headed the uh her Direction and

1881
01:15:22,490 --> 01:15:21,000
uh so I got kind of curious and I was in

1882
01:15:25,370 --> 01:15:22,500
the back seat of the car so I went ahead

1883
01:15:29,149 --> 01:15:25,380
and remote viewed her uh which like you

1884
01:15:32,030 --> 01:15:29,159
know if um if there's receptive people

1885
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:32,040
or quantumly entangled people

1886
01:15:36,229 --> 01:15:34,320
um you know uh you could read them so

1887
01:15:37,790 --> 01:15:36,239
well you know you can pick them up so I

1888
01:15:40,310 --> 01:15:37,800
heard her voice on the phone I just kind

1889
01:15:42,410 --> 01:15:40,320
of closed my eyes and uh as soon as Eric

1890
01:15:44,510 --> 01:15:42,420
hung up the phone I just blurted out her

1891
01:15:47,149 --> 01:15:44,520
height weight hair color what lipstick

1892
01:15:48,350 --> 01:15:47,159
she likes to wear a bunch of stuff you

1893
01:15:50,149 --> 01:15:48,360
know I didn't even take a breath in

1894
01:15:51,709 --> 01:15:50,159
between just blurted it all out and he

1895
01:15:54,229 --> 01:15:51,719
just kind of looked at me he's like have

1896
01:15:56,330 --> 01:15:54,239
you met her before I was like nope but

1897
01:15:59,090 --> 01:15:56,340
and then we show up and you know it's

1898
01:16:00,470 --> 01:15:59,100
exact you know what what I uh so poor

1899
01:16:02,810 --> 01:16:00,480
Eric you know he's scratching his head

1900
01:16:04,430 --> 01:16:02,820
like how the hell did Eric do that but

1901
01:16:06,709 --> 01:16:04,440
uh but that's the that's the secret

1902
01:16:09,470 --> 01:16:06,719
world of the quintessential experiencer

1903
01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:09,480
is is not really vocalizing

1904
01:16:14,209 --> 01:16:11,280
um you know the multiplicity that you're

1905
01:16:15,530 --> 01:16:14,219
experiencing you know along with

1906
01:16:19,010 --> 01:16:15,540
um everyday

1907
01:16:20,990 --> 01:16:19,020
it's facade you know it just how we're

1908
01:16:22,970 --> 01:16:21,000
supposed to live and be and act and all

1909
01:16:25,310 --> 01:16:22,980
that stuff I do have one more quick

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01:16:27,290 --> 01:16:25,320
story to tell you this was pretty

1911
01:16:29,990 --> 01:16:27,300
awesome actually yeah so we stayed in

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01:16:32,689 --> 01:16:30,000
this Motel 6 in Bernalillo uh New Mexico

1913
01:16:34,790 --> 01:16:32,699
uh right right near Albuquerque and

1914
01:16:37,310 --> 01:16:34,800
right near placitas literally we had the

1915
01:16:39,410 --> 01:16:37,320
yes India Mountain uh right there we

1916
01:16:41,750 --> 01:16:39,420
were looking at it thinking we didn't

1917
01:16:43,490 --> 01:16:41,760
know at the time that we we weren't

1918
01:16:45,050 --> 01:16:43,500
going to see any lights uh where we were

1919
01:16:46,550 --> 01:16:45,060
we had to go around to the other side if

1920
01:16:48,890 --> 01:16:46,560
we were going to have a chance but

1921
01:16:50,990 --> 01:16:48,900
anyway so we're sitting there in Eric's

1922
01:16:52,970 --> 01:16:51,000
uh kind of on the patio area where

1923
01:16:54,229 --> 01:16:52,980
there's this little window whatnot and

1924
01:16:55,189 --> 01:16:54,239
I'm sitting there next thing we're just

1925
01:16:57,709 --> 01:16:55,199
chatting

1926
01:16:59,209 --> 01:16:57,719
and out of nowhere I mean this was this

1927
01:17:01,370 --> 01:16:59,219
wasn't planned I don't know what what

1928
01:17:03,169 --> 01:17:01,380
prompted him to but he wanted to show me

1929
01:17:05,330 --> 01:17:03,179
something so I'm you know I'm receptive

1930
01:17:07,130 --> 01:17:05,340
so he says and there's all these street

1931
01:17:09,649 --> 01:17:07,140
lights you know along the I think it was

1932
01:17:11,570 --> 01:17:09,659
Highway 25 if I'm not mistaken it runs

1933
01:17:13,610 --> 01:17:11,580
right right along the Ridgeline of the

1934
01:17:15,950 --> 01:17:13,620
uh Sandia Mountain there so he says see

1935
01:17:18,290 --> 01:17:15,960
that that street light right there he

1936
01:17:20,270 --> 01:17:18,300
goes watch watch the light and I just

1937
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:20,280
happen to have my iPad in my hand

1938
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:22,080
because I was doing just scrolling

1939
01:17:24,770 --> 01:17:23,760
around doing some research and as soon

1940
01:17:25,850 --> 01:17:24,780
as he said that I thought well you know

1941
01:17:27,950 --> 01:17:25,860
what I don't know what's going to happen

1942
01:17:29,930 --> 01:17:27,960
but I'm just going to hit video record

1943
01:17:31,669 --> 01:17:29,940
and just record we'll see what see

1944
01:17:33,890 --> 01:17:31,679
what's going to happen none of this was

1945
01:17:36,590 --> 01:17:33,900
planned so then he walks over and lays

1946
01:17:38,390 --> 01:17:36,600
down on the bed and and I'm looking at

1947
01:17:40,729 --> 01:17:38,400
him and then he goes just watch the

1948
01:17:42,290 --> 01:17:40,739
light and then all of a sudden the light

1949
01:17:44,930 --> 01:17:42,300
went off

1950
01:17:47,390 --> 01:17:44,940
and I thought wow that was kind of wild

1951
01:17:49,250 --> 01:17:47,400
I mean you know I don't know how he did

1952
01:17:51,350 --> 01:17:49,260
it or if he did it or what the deal was

1953
01:17:52,729 --> 01:17:51,360
I wasn't skeptical I just observed what

1954
01:17:55,729 --> 01:17:52,739
he said he was going to do and it

1955
01:17:56,870 --> 01:17:55,739
happened and then the light uh started

1956
01:18:00,110 --> 01:17:56,880
flickering

1957
01:18:02,510 --> 01:18:00,120
and I said on after he said on then it

1958
01:18:04,130 --> 01:18:02,520
started he said come back and what he

1959
01:18:06,169 --> 01:18:04,140
said on so it started trying to come

1960
01:18:07,850 --> 01:18:06,179
back on it was flickering

1961
01:18:10,910 --> 01:18:07,860
and uh

1962
01:18:13,669 --> 01:18:10,920
so then of course I I posted some stuff

1963
01:18:15,229 --> 01:18:13,679
on Twitter and some of the Skeptics out

1964
01:18:16,910 --> 01:18:15,239
there were trying to say that well this

1965
01:18:18,530 --> 01:18:16,920
is what happens with street lights when

1966
01:18:20,030 --> 01:18:18,540
they start to go bad they Flicker and

1967
01:18:22,010 --> 01:18:20,040
they go off and on and so on and so

1968
01:18:24,050 --> 01:18:22,020
forth and I thought okay well that's

1969
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:24,060
that's possible yeah that could be it

1970
01:18:27,709 --> 01:18:26,400
could have been just a coincidence I

1971
01:18:29,270 --> 01:18:27,719
don't I didn't believe that it was a

1972
01:18:33,169 --> 01:18:29,280
coincidence but it could have been it's

1973
01:18:36,229 --> 01:18:33,179
possible so then so then he did it again

1974
01:18:40,610 --> 01:18:36,239
a second time and it happened again

1975
01:18:43,790 --> 01:18:42,530
but but here's what here's what was

1976
01:18:45,470 --> 01:18:43,800
interesting is that we stayed there

1977
01:18:46,910 --> 01:18:45,480
three days so for the next two nights

1978
01:18:48,410 --> 01:18:46,920
when that light would come on those

1979
01:18:50,270 --> 01:18:48,420
those street lights

1980
01:18:52,910 --> 01:18:50,280
that light would come on and it would

1981
01:18:55,250 --> 01:18:52,920
stay bright all night both nights so so

1982
01:18:57,470 --> 01:18:55,260
the light wasn't going bad it wasn't

1983
01:18:58,270 --> 01:18:57,480
flickering because it was about to stop

1984
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:58,280
working

1985
01:19:03,770 --> 01:19:00,960
whatever he whatever happened whatever

1986
01:19:05,870 --> 01:19:03,780
he was able to do it happened in that

1987
01:19:07,850 --> 01:19:05,880
moment and only in that moment and not

1988
01:19:10,669 --> 01:19:07,860
be and not after that moment did it not

1989
01:19:13,010 --> 01:19:10,679
it didn't happen again so and the light

1990
01:19:15,590 --> 01:19:13,020
continued to work so so the theory that

1991
01:19:17,570 --> 01:19:15,600
it was just a bad bulb that got debunked

1992
01:19:20,570 --> 01:19:17,580
within the within the 72 hours that we

1993
01:19:22,130 --> 01:19:20,580
stayed there so uh yeah I mean uh Eric's

1994
01:19:23,630 --> 01:19:22,140
got some abilities there's no doubt

1995
01:19:25,189 --> 01:19:23,640
about it and I know other people have

1996
01:19:26,990 --> 01:19:25,199
these abilities it's not like I'm trying

1997
01:19:28,610 --> 01:19:27,000
to put them on a pedestal but it's kind

1998
01:19:30,290 --> 01:19:28,620
of cool to see these things in action

1999
01:19:33,169 --> 01:19:30,300
and be able to verify these things in

2000
01:19:36,470 --> 01:19:33,179
person you know I stand a complete

2001
01:19:39,110 --> 01:19:36,480
believer in his abilities after his uh

2002
01:19:41,870 --> 01:19:39,120
trip out to space Wolf research there at

2003
01:19:44,750 --> 01:19:41,880
the base camp and what he did and it's

2004
01:19:47,510 --> 01:19:44,760
interesting I was just looking into this

2005
01:19:49,550 --> 01:19:47,520
um with the uh Association for the

2006
01:19:51,890 --> 01:19:49,560
scientific study of anomalous phenomenon

2007
01:19:53,830 --> 01:19:51,900
this street light interference

2008
01:19:56,750 --> 01:19:53,840
phenomenon that a lot of people

2009
01:19:59,390 --> 01:19:56,760
including Yuri Geller and there's a list

2010
01:20:02,270 --> 01:19:59,400
of others you know this has been called

2011
01:20:05,390 --> 01:20:02,280
well it's an ability for individuals to

2012
01:20:09,770 --> 01:20:05,400
turn street lights or outside building

2013
01:20:11,570 --> 01:20:09,780
security lights on or off and the you

2014
01:20:14,450 --> 01:20:11,580
know this is something that science has

2015
01:20:16,189 --> 01:20:14,460
been unable to explain because these

2016
01:20:19,550 --> 01:20:16,199
individuals are able to do this on a

2017
01:20:21,890 --> 01:20:19,560
regular basis and yet you know they can

2018
01:20:25,250 --> 01:20:21,900
explain it however science cannot

2019
01:20:27,350 --> 01:20:25,260
explain in in scientific experiments how

2020
01:20:28,250 --> 01:20:27,360
this is possible so it's I I'm a

2021
01:20:31,550 --> 01:20:28,260
Believer

2022
01:20:34,250 --> 01:20:31,560
I know Eric has a lot of gifts and his

2023
01:20:37,910 --> 01:20:34,260
and the end his kung fu is strong you

2024
01:20:39,649 --> 01:20:37,920
know and uh and I I I'm so happy that

2025
01:20:42,169 --> 01:20:39,659
you guys were able to talk to me that

2026
01:20:43,610 --> 01:20:42,179
your journey sounds so epic and I'm glad

2027
01:20:46,610 --> 01:20:43,620
that you were able to share that with

2028
01:20:48,110 --> 01:20:46,620
listeners and yeah I I can't wait to

2029
01:20:50,870 --> 01:20:48,120
talk to you guys again and have you on

2030
01:20:52,910 --> 01:20:50,880
the podcast any closing notes as we wrap

2031
01:20:55,250 --> 01:20:52,920
up that you'd like to get out

2032
01:20:56,930 --> 01:20:55,260
yeah I wouldn't say with this street

2033
01:20:59,149 --> 01:20:56,940
light I mean the first time my

2034
01:21:01,790 --> 01:20:59,159
investigator Barry gaunt he was the

2035
01:21:05,030 --> 01:21:01,800
state director of uh mufon

2036
01:21:06,770 --> 01:21:05,040
um he he uh pulled me up to his driveway

2037
01:21:08,810 --> 01:21:06,780
and he said watch this you know because

2038
01:21:10,610 --> 01:21:08,820
I was really upset in the beginning on

2039
01:21:12,830 --> 01:21:10,620
what was going on with me I didn't want

2040
01:21:15,470 --> 01:21:12,840
to believe this stuff it was a hell of

2041
01:21:17,450 --> 01:21:15,480
an adjustment but he walked under a

2042
01:21:19,189 --> 01:21:17,460
Street Lamp and it would go out and he'd

2043
01:21:21,709 --> 01:21:19,199
keep walking and it would come back on

2044
01:21:23,630 --> 01:21:21,719
and he'd go under a different one and

2045
01:21:25,189 --> 01:21:23,640
I'm saying how are you doing this you

2046
01:21:28,130 --> 01:21:25,199
know I was floored I could not believe

2047
01:21:30,410 --> 01:21:28,140
you know what he was showing me and uh

2048
01:21:32,750 --> 01:21:30,420
you know over time he taught me to pay

2049
01:21:35,270 --> 01:21:32,760
attention to that electrical feeling and

2050
01:21:37,610 --> 01:21:35,280
uh um and you can see

2051
01:21:40,610 --> 01:21:37,620
um I've got some pictures you know that

2052
01:21:42,350 --> 01:21:40,620
was autocadded of the uh caught up

2053
01:21:44,810 --> 01:21:42,360
attainment and when it lights up it

2054
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:44,820
looks like this Faraday cage going over

2055
01:21:48,470 --> 01:21:46,800
the top of the brain and getting wider

2056
01:21:49,910 --> 01:21:48,480
as it goes to the base of the skull and

2057
01:21:51,649 --> 01:21:49,920
this is what you feel in like a

2058
01:21:54,410 --> 01:21:51,659
Paranormal Activity when you walk into

2059
01:21:56,030 --> 01:21:54,420
like a uh supposed haunted home you get

2060
01:21:58,729 --> 01:21:56,040
that tingling on the top of your head

2061
01:22:02,149 --> 01:21:58,739
well now it can be analyzed and looked

2062
01:22:05,689 --> 01:22:02,159
at that this quote-unquote antenna is uh

2063
01:22:08,149 --> 01:22:05,699
is interacting with its environment and

2064
01:22:12,590 --> 01:22:08,159
I think it's uh really fascinating now I

2065
01:22:14,750 --> 01:22:12,600
postulate this is not within documented

2066
01:22:17,990 --> 01:22:14,760
science quite yet not peer-reviewed I'll

2067
01:22:19,610 --> 01:22:18,000
just put it that way wink wink but uh in

2068
01:22:21,890 --> 01:22:19,620
all of our cells we have this tiny

2069
01:22:23,510 --> 01:22:21,900
Crystal called a magnetite and when

2070
01:22:25,810 --> 01:22:23,520
magnetites are around strong

2071
01:22:28,810 --> 01:22:25,820
electromagnetic sealed currents

2072
01:22:31,910 --> 01:22:28,820
especially a very particular frequencies

2073
01:22:34,930 --> 01:22:31,920
these things hold a charge you know in

2074
01:22:37,729 --> 01:22:34,940
these cells and your cells are

2075
01:22:39,410 --> 01:22:37,739
conscious away from you they don't have

2076
01:22:41,090 --> 01:22:39,420
to be you don't have to skin your knee

2077
01:22:43,729 --> 01:22:41,100
and go hold on guys I got to grow some

2078
01:22:45,890 --> 01:22:43,739
cells real fast I'll catch up

2079
01:22:48,110 --> 01:22:45,900
um they're conscious by themselves and

2080
01:22:50,090 --> 01:22:48,120
it's this electromagnetic field that

2081
01:22:51,649 --> 01:22:50,100
makes them self-conscious in order to do

2082
01:22:54,110 --> 01:22:51,659
these things so when they're hyper

2083
01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:54,120
charged in that way like you would see

2084
01:23:00,410 --> 01:22:56,880
in a lot of abductees you know eegs of

2085
01:23:02,570 --> 01:23:00,420
30 Hertz 50 hertz 100 Hertz whatever's

2086
01:23:05,209 --> 01:23:02,580
happening with this phenomena is really

2087
01:23:07,130 --> 01:23:05,219
anting up these electromagnetic fields

2088
01:23:09,709 --> 01:23:07,140
within the human body so you're going to

2089
01:23:11,149 --> 01:23:09,719
see telekinesis you're going to see a

2090
01:23:14,330 --> 01:23:11,159
lot of strange what we would call

2091
01:23:16,070 --> 01:23:14,340
paranormal things but it's it's really a

2092
01:23:18,470 --> 01:23:16,080
normal thing it's just nobody's allowed

2093
01:23:21,709 --> 01:23:18,480
to talk about it so Technical and so

2094
01:23:24,229 --> 01:23:21,719
true there's so much being learned every

2095
01:23:26,630 --> 01:23:24,239
day about this you are such a great

2096
01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:26,640
example of somebody bringing it to the

2097
01:23:31,669 --> 01:23:29,040
people in a true way and not only that

2098
01:23:35,090 --> 01:23:31,679
being an experiencer yourself I can't

2099
01:23:37,790 --> 01:23:35,100
thank you for coming on enough Eric and

2100
01:23:40,250 --> 01:23:37,800
um goes for both of you can't wait to

2101
01:23:41,390 --> 01:23:40,260
talk again and I hope you have a great

2102
01:23:43,790 --> 01:23:41,400
day

2103
01:23:44,689 --> 01:23:43,800
all right thanks for having me take care

2104
01:23:46,850 --> 01:23:44,699
buddy

2105
01:23:49,910 --> 01:23:46,860
man there they are two of the most

2106
01:23:51,950 --> 01:23:49,920
involved researchers coming back from a

2107
01:23:54,050 --> 01:23:51,960
fear and loathing style road trip

2108
01:23:56,689 --> 01:23:54,060
through UFO land

2109
01:23:59,149 --> 01:23:56,699
they stopped everywhere did everything

2110
01:24:01,130 --> 01:23:59,159
experienced a lot of things witnessed a

2111
01:24:02,510 --> 01:24:01,140
lot of things had some strange

2112
01:24:04,790 --> 01:24:02,520
happenings

2113
01:24:07,370 --> 01:24:04,800
I can't wait to have both of those guys

2114
01:24:09,950 --> 01:24:07,380
back on the podcast it's a blast every

2115
01:24:12,110 --> 01:24:09,960
time I get to talk to them and for those

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01:24:14,030 --> 01:24:12,120
who want to blast off a little more with

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2122
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cannot deny the fact that it should be

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2127
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it's like once you hit that number you

2128
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should just get monetized but due to the

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content I believe they will not monetize

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